Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 21

spudje · 22 March 2017, 20:21

Those 7 people with sonnets will be very happy ��
No seriously, awesome work, hope the sonnet reverse engineering effort happening somewhere will allow more of us to benefit from this work soon.

Hedeon · 22 March 2017, 21:57

Well... I started it for myself not for those 7 people. Then some guy pushed me to add all kinds of stuff. Blame him.

Hedeon · 22 March 2017, 23:23

Oh... And the guy who set up git ;-)

Magic · 23 March 2017, 00:31

I am trying to get an Amiga 4000D system with a 3V Mediator and a rev "B" Sonnet 7200 G3 1meg cache running. I have both Radeon 9200 ($5960) and Voodoo 3000 16 meg cards to choose from. I am using 64 meg DIMM(s) on the Sonnet. My system is running Amiga OS 3.9 BB2 on a stock rev 3.1 A3640 cpu.

When I run the Initsonnet program sometimes the Sonnet memory adds itself to the main system memory. Most of the time however the mouse pointer freezes in place on the Workbench screen and then about 5 seconds later the system reboots. If I can run the Initsonnet program and have it return to the command prompt then I can also run the getinfo and see the specs of my sonnet card.

It seems like I am close to getting it running, but I am stuck at this point. I have a real Mac 7200 on the way to fully test my Sonnet card but it isn't here yet. If anyone has any hints for me to try that would be great. Hedeon has spent quite a bit of time with me via email, Thank You! So far I have tried many different Mediator Envarc: RadeonMem or VoodooMem settings with no good results. I have also tried 2 different power supplies in the Amiga 4000.

Thank you,
Jeff

amigoun · 23 March 2017, 00:39

I had the same problems when I realized they are PSU based. You need strong 5V line. Most ATX-A4000 Power adapters work bad in this regard. I had to use original PSU for much better reliability.

Magic · 23 March 2017, 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigoun

I had the same problems when I realized they are PSU based. You need strong 5V line. Most ATX-A4000 Power adapters work bad in this regard. I had to use original PSU for much better reliability.

I am using stock Amiga 4000D power supplies (I have 3 of them) but I will put a DVOM on the output. Did you solve your problems somehow? BTW I do have a rev 11 buster in this system too.

Thank you,
Jeff

grelbfarlk · 23 March 2017, 01:35

I'm using ATX power supplies in both of my A4000s, but I have the old 5V only Mediator in both. I did have trouble before with lousy ATX power supplies.

jack-3d · 25 March 2017, 02:14

I have three Amigas 4000 all with black Mediator 4000Di MK3 and each Amiga behaves differently when using the same HDD (just swapping same scsi disk between them). There must be a voltage problem, because when swapping PSUs between them some Amiga get better stability.

I wish there is external powering possible for either Mediator busboard or Sonnet card.

jack-3d · 25 March 2017, 02:16

And BTW I managed Radeon 9200/256 to work with Sonnet. My previous troubles were solved by using just another Amiga. So again, is that powering problem?

Magic · 25 March 2017, 03:20

It's hard to believe that the power supplies in the Powermac 7200's are any better than what we have now in our Amigas. I do have an ATX adapter from Amigakit to try as well as an old Mac 7200 on the way for testing that way too. Does the Buster rev make any difference with the Mediator? I have 1 4000 with a rev 11 and the other too are rev 9's.

-Jeff

grelbfarlk · 25 March 2017, 12:38

I've never looked in a Powermac 7200, but I imagine that they didn't do the silly thing of having all of the 5V load (which is most of the load) going through a single pin on the motherboard. As I've said in other threads, try to clean that pin on the motherboard and power supply connector. If you take something like a Q-tip (stripped down so it fits inside the hole) and wet it down with some isopropyl alcohol and clean the inside of the 5V pin socket on the power supply connector on the motherboard it will come out dirty grey. That's not good, that's a sign of a bad connection that's going to turn our precious dinosaur juice into heat, causing noise and lower voltage. Replacing the motherboard PSU connector with a new one gold plated one is what I do and it resolves most problems, but then the connector on the power supply gets jealous. Recapping a motherboard and power supply is not a fix-all.

@Jack I said I'd look into this but I forgot, I'll do that today.

Buster-9 should work for the Mediator, but I don't know of people reporting that it works, much less with a Sonnet.

Hedeon · 25 March 2017, 14:39

Only thing I know for sure is that Buster 7 does not work with the sonnet.

amigoun · 28 March 2017, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

...they didn't do the silly thing of having all of the 5V load (which is most of the load) going through a single pin on the motherboard.

Can totaly agree.

Today I slightly cleaned the motherboard pin, and improved my ATX-A4000 PSU adapter. It had only 2 thin wires connected at 5V line, I added one more and thicker one. All I can say it really helped. Only short testing now, but certainly much more stable. (Before did not even start with Sonnet or crashed immidiately).

Magic · 28 March 2017, 18:49

Great tips thank you.

grelbfarlk · 28 March 2017, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigoun

Can totaly agree.

Today I slightly cleaned the motherboard pin, and improved my ATX-A4000 PSU adapter. It had only 2 thin wires connected at 5V line, I added one more and thicker one. All I can say it really helped. Only short testing now, but certainly much more stable. (Before did not even start with Sonnet or crashed immidiately).

The lesson I learned on my last ATX adapter was the fairly expensive SFX power supply I used had monitor lines on the 5V and 12V that I neglected to connect to the A4000 side. Connecting those made a big difference in the stability of the power supply and the 5V level on the A4000 motherboard. On your ATX cable to your power supply see if any of the wires on the ATX connector have a second wire, chances are that's a monitor/regulation line that should be connected over the other pins which don't have a second wire.

amigoun · 31 March 2017, 18:05

Finaly managed to get FPSE working under Sonnet, here small demo:
[ Show youtube player ]

Sir_Lucas · 31 March 2017, 18:47

Can you try Heart of Darkness?

amigoun · 31 March 2017, 19:06

Nope, I only have few iso's here. But good idea would be checking some FPSE compatibility lists on the net.

grelbfarlk · 31 March 2017, 22:20

Syndicate runs ok on FPSE, I haven't tried on the new version yet. But the FPS counter read something like 22FPS using about 60% CPU IIRC. Now if we could just get someone to add sound to it.

amigoun · 01 April 2017, 00:46

Tried to play directly from CD, but audio track do not play, looks like audio is completly unsupported in FPSE WarpOS.
FPSE is still maintained by Mathias "AmiDog" Roslund, but WOS version was abandoned in 2002.
I wonder if he still have the old source code so that hopefuly anyone skilled enough can add sound? That would be perfect.

23 March 2017, 00:31	#404
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 365	I am trying to get an Amiga 4000D system with a 3V Mediator and a rev "B" Sonnet 7200 G3 1meg cache running. I have both Radeon 9200 ($5960) and Voodoo 3000 16 meg cards to choose from. I am using 64 meg DIMM(s) on the Sonnet. My system is running Amiga OS 3.9 BB2 on a stock rev 3.1 A3640 cpu. When I run the Initsonnet program sometimes the Sonnet memory adds itself to the main system memory. Most of the time however the mouse pointer freezes in place on the Workbench screen and then about 5 seconds later the system reboots. If I can run the Initsonnet program and have it return to the command prompt then I can also run the getinfo and see the specs of my sonnet card. It seems like I am close to getting it running, but I am stuck at this point. I have a real Mac 7200 on the way to fully test my Sonnet card but it isn't here yet. If anyone has any hints for me to try that would be great. Hedeon has spent quite a bit of time with me via email, Thank You! So far I have tried many different Mediator Envarc: RadeonMem or VoodooMem settings with no good results. I have also tried 2 different power supplies in the Amiga 4000. Thank you, Jeff Last edited by Magic; 23 March 2017 at 00:39.

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22 March 2017, 20:21	#401
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,408	Those 7 people with sonnets will be very happy �� No seriously, awesome work, hope the sonnet reverse engineering effort happening somewhere will allow more of us to benefit from this work soon.

22 March 2017, 21:57	#402
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,044	Well... I started it for myself not for those 7 people. Then some guy pushed me to add all kinds of stuff. Blame him.

22 March 2017, 23:23	#403
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,044	Oh... And the guy who set up git ;-)

23 March 2017, 00:39	#405
amigoun Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Czech Rep Posts: 599	I had the same problems when I realized they are PSU based. You need strong 5V line. Most ATX-A4000 Power adapters work bad in this regard. I had to use original PSU for much better reliability.

23 March 2017, 01:35	#407
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,968	I'm using ATX power supplies in both of my A4000s, but I have the old 5V only Mediator in both. I did have trouble before with lousy ATX power supplies.

25 March 2017, 02:14	#408
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	I have three Amigas 4000 all with black Mediator 4000Di MK3 and each Amiga behaves differently when using the same HDD (just swapping same scsi disk between them). There must be a voltage problem, because when swapping PSUs between them some Amiga get better stability. I wish there is external powering possible for either Mediator busboard or Sonnet card.

25 March 2017, 02:16	#409
jack-3d kLiker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brno / Czech Republic Posts: 371	And BTW I managed Radeon 9200/256 to work with Sonnet. My previous troubles were solved by using just another Amiga. So again, is that powering problem?

25 March 2017, 03:20	#410
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 365	It's hard to believe that the power supplies in the Powermac 7200's are any better than what we have now in our Amigas. I do have an ATX adapter from Amigakit to try as well as an old Mac 7200 on the way for testing that way too. Does the Buster rev make any difference with the Mediator? I have 1 4000 with a rev 11 and the other too are rev 9's. -Jeff

25 March 2017, 12:38	#411
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,968	I've never looked in a Powermac 7200, but I imagine that they didn't do the silly thing of having all of the 5V load (which is most of the load) going through a single pin on the motherboard. As I've said in other threads, try to clean that pin on the motherboard and power supply connector. If you take something like a Q-tip (stripped down so it fits inside the hole) and wet it down with some isopropyl alcohol and clean the inside of the 5V pin socket on the power supply connector on the motherboard it will come out dirty grey. That's not good, that's a sign of a bad connection that's going to turn our precious dinosaur juice into heat, causing noise and lower voltage. Replacing the motherboard PSU connector with a new one gold plated one is what I do and it resolves most problems, but then the connector on the power supply gets jealous. Recapping a motherboard and power supply is not a fix-all. @Jack I said I'd look into this but I forgot, I'll do that today. Buster-9 should work for the Mediator, but I don't know of people reporting that it works, much less with a Sonnet.

25 March 2017, 14:39	#412
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,044	Only thing I know for sure is that Buster 7 does not work with the sonnet.

28 March 2017, 18:49	#414
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 365	Great tips thank you.

31 March 2017, 18:05	#416
amigoun Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Czech Rep Posts: 599	Finaly managed to get FPSE working under Sonnet, here small demo: [ Show youtube player ]

31 March 2017, 18:47	#417
Sir_Lucas Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norwich, UK Posts: 668	Can you try Heart of Darkness?

31 March 2017, 19:06	#418
amigoun Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Czech Rep Posts: 599	Nope, I only have few iso's here. But good idea would be checking some FPSE compatibility lists on the net.

31 March 2017, 22:20	#419
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,968	Syndicate runs ok on FPSE, I haven't tried on the new version yet. But the FPS counter read something like 22FPS using about 60% CPU IIRC. Now if we could just get someone to add sound to it.

01 April 2017, 00:46	#420
amigoun Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Czech Rep Posts: 599	Tried to play directly from CD, but audio track do not play, looks like audio is completly unsupported in FPSE WarpOS. FPSE is still maintained by Mathias "AmiDog" Roslund, but WOS version was abandoned in 2002. I wonder if he still have the old source code so that hopefuly anyone skilled enough can add sound? That would be perfect.

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