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nnever2000 · 29 September 2006, 11:44

I think that an application that read the tosec dat and output a new dat with games merged (comparing it's radice name) can be easly coded. So that no need that tosec changes anything.

I thing the Adderly idea is a very good idea.

UPDATE: I coded an utility the convert cm dat in cm dat merged. I updated in the zone the dat

Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF][MERGED] (TOSEC-v2006-04-29_CM).dat

seems good to my, but is untested because im at work and dont have rc o clrpro installed.

Adderly · 29 September 2006, 13:32

You asked [idoru], but maybe i can help:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

Who else is involved with Amiga TOSEC?

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25291

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

And when did you suggest this?

The Tosec thread got a cleanup some weeks ago. All the old posts are gone...
Edit: "thread" in the last sentence is wrong, the whole Tosec forum got wiped out!

Anubis · 29 September 2006, 13:39

That's not very helpfull, is it.

Thank you for info.

Adderly · 29 September 2006, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by nnever2000

UPDATE: I coded an utility the convert cm dat in cm dat merged. I updated in the zone the dat

Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF][MERGED] (TOSEC-v2006-04-29_CM).dat

seems good to my, but is untested because im at work and dont have rc o clrpro installed.

I did a test with it, had some double filenames warning as i imported the DAT into CLMAMEPro but it worked pretty good so far.

Now we only need a ZIP to 7zip converter tool....

Maybe you guys (nnever2000 and mr_0rga5m) want to release your tools into the public?

nnever2000 · 29 September 2006, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adderly

I did a test with it, had some double filenames warning as i imported the DAT into CLMAMEPro but it worked pretty good so far.

Nice!! Im going to investigate about the warning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adderly

Now we only need a ZIP to 7zip converter tool....

Hard task (the tool have to decompress the zip format then recompress in 7zip format. Anyway, WinUae support the 7z files??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adderly

Maybe you guys (nnever2000 and mr_0rga5m) want to release your tools into the public?

In the zone: Tosec merger

It need the vb run time and is in very beta stage so use with caution and do a backup of the tosec rom set first.

For the future Im going to add four optional check:

1) remove alternate adf, that remove the [a] flag adf
2) remove bad adf, that remove the [b]flag adf
3) include release year in the base name (zip name)
4) include developer in the base name (zip name)

Adderly · 30 September 2006, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by nnever2000

... Anyway, WinUae support the 7z files??

Winuae has support for 7zip but you need a plugin (downloadable from the official winuae website)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nnever2000

For the future Im going to add four optional check:

1) remove alternate adf, that remove the [a] flag adf

Oh no, please don't add this. An alternate adf means just that it was added later into Tosec. Often an alt image is better working than the non-alt.

The other options would be great things! Nice work nnever2000!

BippyM · 30 September 2006, 17:17

I am in agreement with multie file zips

As for contributing, I'm pretty sure me and Idoru are the most active renamers (I do perhaps 1000 unks everty couple months) and I only do it when i'm in the mood.

I try and be thorough when renaming, I try and check file integrity (where possible) and for a few adf's I diskcheck them with xcopy to ensure there are no disk errors!

It's slow work, but someone needs to do it

nnever2000 · 02 October 2006, 10:30

Ok, I tested my dat in the week and worked very well!!! I converted my adf dir in the new merged format.

The merged dat load faster in romcenter and is much easy to select the game in winuae because the number of file in the directory are less.

My dat 'TOSEC-v2006-04-29_CM' seem to be very old, someone has a newer version?

I will improve the TosecMerger program.

UPDATE:
Tosec merger version 0.1.4 in the zone!

andreas · 02 November 2006, 03:09

Well I was just going to ask in another thread why [idoru] hasn't spit out any DATs since more than half a year, but you've beaten me to it

Yes the DATs are horribly old. But [idoru] sits on the new versions (see Overdoc's request thread, lots of new files in those txt files

) so we can only ask him *kindly* to release them

Methanoid · 16 November 2006, 14:20

Argh I am totally confused

I thought what CLRMamePro called Merged sets are designed to deal with the multiple versions of the same title i.e Gods, Gods (a), Gods (b), Gods cracked by QTX, Gods cracked by FLT and put the whole lot into one Zip file.

Is there a DAT or can someone release a DAT for that? I also thought that if you have made files yourself in such a way you can create a DAT from the directory (function inbuilt into CLR)?

Finally I thought that Zip allows the merged sets but 7Zip doesn't.

OK lots of thoughts but surely someone knows the answer.

I've lost all faith in TOSEC since the tools become so crap. I actually found TUGID easier to use that TIM but I find OfflineList even easier!!

Maybe some fixed DATs could also be combined with the MAGE project. So we get an Amiga database (and other formats) that is useable, smaller and works with the emulators we have.

??

thevoice · 16 November 2006, 14:28

omg please no crap 7zip support for tosec. its crap slow, not pretty compatible on all plattforms and e-uae in linux dont support it at all.

imho before merging , using crap compressors i would prefer the chaos in tosec as it is as long you can use it on ALL plattforms that have uae

mr_0rga5m · 16 November 2006, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by thevoice

omg please no crap 7zip support for tosec. its crap slow, not pretty compatible on all plattforms and e-uae in linux dont support it at all.

imho before merging , using crap compressors i would prefer the chaos in tosec as it is as long you can use it on ALL plattforms that have uae

Rubbish, 7zip isnt 'crap slow', granted it may be a little sluggish whilst compressing but that rather depends on the size of the files your compressing (we are talking Amiga files here which typically are not greater than 15mb merged) and the speed of the system used for compressing. (I take it your not compressing them on a 486 pc or something) Also you only compress once, the decompression is quite speedy.

As for e-uae in linux doesnt support it at all, well perhaps somebody needs to pull their finger out and make support for it. All it takes is a little enthusiasm.

<imho> Linux is a Windows wannabe anyhow, i dont know why ppl bother with it.

</imho>

Methanoid · 16 November 2006, 15:12

Complaining about 7-zip being slow is like complaining that ZIP is slower than LZH.

FFS no-one uses LZH now, and PCs are much faster these days anyway.

And NO_ONE IS FORCING YOU TO USE 7-ZIP!!!!!

Adderly · 16 November 2006, 15:41

Using 7zip and merged romes i was able to store the whole Amiga Tosec non-iso stuff on 3 DVD's (as zip's and not merged it was 5 DVD's). Winuae has now build in 7zip support. I love 7Zip!

Methanoid · 16 November 2006, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adderly

Using 7zip and merged romes i was able to store the whole Amiga Tosec non-iso stuff on 3 DVD's (as zip's and not merged it was 5 DVD's). Winuae has now build in 7zip support. I love 7Zip!

I guess then that all you need to do is copy all the files into one dir on your PC. Load CLRMamePro and using the "make dat from dir" option and create the dat file.

Then the rest of us can use it?!??!

Toni Wilen · 16 November 2006, 17:53

Implementing EUAE 7zip support takes max 5 minutes. (copy new files, merge zfile.c changes)

Adderly · 16 November 2006, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

I guess then that all you need to do is copy all the files into one dir on your PC. Load CLRMamePro and using the "make dat from dir" option and create the dat file.

Then the rest of us can use it?!??!

I can try this when i rebuild my collection after the next Tosec update.

Too bad CLRMamePro does not support 7zip compressed images...

Methanoid · 17 November 2006, 00:20

I thought 7-zip support was added in last update?

DamienD · 17 November 2006, 00:29

You are correct Methanoid (and rar also)

http://www.clrmame.com/download.htm

Methanoid · 17 November 2006, 09:15

So Mr Adderly CAN make that tidier DAT file and provide it for the rest of us.

29 September 2006, 11:44	#21
nnever2000 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: italy Posts: 138	I think that an application that read the tosec dat and output a new dat with games merged (comparing it's radice name) can be easly coded. So that no need that tosec changes anything. I thing the Adderly idea is a very good idea. UPDATE: I coded an utility the convert cm dat in cm dat merged. I updated in the zone the dat Commodore Amiga - Games - [ADF][MERGED] (TOSEC-v2006-04-29_CM).dat seems good to my, but is untested because im at work and dont have rc o clrpro installed. Last edited by nnever2000; 29 September 2006 at 13:02.

02 October 2006, 10:30	#28
nnever2000 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: italy Posts: 138	Ok, I tested my dat in the week and worked very well!!! I converted my adf dir in the new merged format. The merged dat load faster in romcenter and is much easy to select the game in winuae because the number of file in the directory are less. My dat 'TOSEC-v2006-04-29_CM' seem to be very old, someone has a newer version? I will improve the TosecMerger program. UPDATE: Tosec merger version 0.1.4 in the zone! Last edited by nnever2000; 02 October 2006 at 15:54.

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29 September 2006, 13:39	#23
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,072	That's not very helpfull, is it. Thank you for info.

30 September 2006, 17:17	#27
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I am in agreement with multie file zips As for contributing, I'm pretty sure me and Idoru are the most active renamers (I do perhaps 1000 unks everty couple months) and I only do it when i'm in the mood. I try and be thorough when renaming, I try and check file integrity (where possible) and for a few adf's I diskcheck them with xcopy to ensure there are no disk errors! It's slow work, but someone needs to do it

02 November 2006, 03:09	#29
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Well I was just going to ask in another thread why [idoru] hasn't spit out any DATs since more than half a year, but you've beaten me to it Yes the DATs are horribly old. But [idoru] sits on the new versions (see Overdoc's request thread, lots of new files in those txt files ) so we can only ask him kindly to release them

16 November 2006, 14:20	#30
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	Argh I am totally confused I thought what CLRMamePro called Merged sets are designed to deal with the multiple versions of the same title i.e Gods, Gods (a), Gods (b), Gods cracked by QTX, Gods cracked by FLT and put the whole lot into one Zip file. Is there a DAT or can someone release a DAT for that? I also thought that if you have made files yourself in such a way you can create a DAT from the directory (function inbuilt into CLR)? Finally I thought that Zip allows the merged sets but 7Zip doesn't. OK lots of thoughts but surely someone knows the answer. I've lost all faith in TOSEC since the tools become so crap. I actually found TUGID easier to use that TIM but I find OfflineList even easier!! Maybe some fixed DATs could also be combined with the MAGE project. So we get an Amiga database (and other formats) that is useable, smaller and works with the emulators we have. ??

16 November 2006, 14:28	#31
thevoice Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: germany Posts: 149	omg please no crap 7zip support for tosec. its crap slow, not pretty compatible on all plattforms and e-uae in linux dont support it at all. imho before merging , using crap compressors i would prefer the chaos in tosec as it is as long you can use it on ALL plattforms that have uae

16 November 2006, 15:12	#33
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	Complaining about 7-zip being slow is like complaining that ZIP is slower than LZH. FFS no-one uses LZH now, and PCs are much faster these days anyway. And NO_ONE IS FORCING YOU TO USE 7-ZIP!!!!!

16 November 2006, 15:41	#34
Adderly [Satan^God] Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 701	Using 7zip and merged romes i was able to store the whole Amiga Tosec non-iso stuff on 3 DVD's (as zip's and not merged it was 5 DVD's). Winuae has now build in 7zip support. I love 7Zip!

16 November 2006, 17:53	#36
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,567	Implementing EUAE 7zip support takes max 5 minutes. (copy new files, merge zfile.c changes)

17 November 2006, 00:20	#38
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	I thought 7-zip support was added in last update?

17 November 2006, 00:29	#39
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	You are correct Methanoid (and rar also) http://www.clrmame.com/download.htm

17 November 2006, 09:15	#40
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,874	So Mr Adderly CAN make that tidier DAT file and provide it for the rest of us.

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