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m68k is just as dead, though, and I'd argue that the only reason that OS4 is limited to a few specific PPC board architectures is the fault of Hyperion and/or the ongoing legal dramas rather than anything technical. But here we are all the same.
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Everything Amiga NG is over a long time ago. What is the point? Is there any problem with modern operative systems? Amiga is 68k classic. That platform is more alive than in a long time. Is there ever released a demo scene production, a good original game for NG Amiga? Even if there is it is so few that you can count on one hand. Totally boring platform.
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68K is even longer dead ... but it has still a far bigger install base. And if you are going to emulate it on a PC the denser 68K code is even faster than emulated PPC code... So any advantage PPC ever had is long gone. (And I do have a CyberstormPPC in my A3000!) |
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I'd rather not be emulating it, but without hardware availability, not much can be done. I want to buy a Tabor, but not if it's going to take forever to arrive and essentially be a paperweight because there's nothing to run on it.
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The only reason to go for OS4 was to have a faster machine to run those games and apps that needed it, but now PPC is too slow too. If you really need the speed (or the compatibility) you just use a PC. And I'm still running Xp, so my PC is a classic too! When the decision to go PPC was made I said it was a mistake. 25 years and a lot of wasted effort later, that has been proved right. But against all odds the classic Amiga scene has revived itself, taking advantage of modern hardware to make it better than ever! Which is why we need further development of OS3, not OS4. |
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Yep, OS3/68K is where it's at (again) now.
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The future is 68k, FPGA, ARM, OS3.x and AROS. These technologies can evolve dynamically, in small steps with an active fanbase, a lot of good legacy software and hardware, driven by nostalgia and pure joy.
The AOS4/PPC ecosystem is heavy, slow, expensive, silent. |
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I think MorphOS stands a chance once (and if) it becomes more accessible by moving to x86/x64. Certainly I would prefer it to ARM or AROS.
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And there are many NG only games released during the years... and of course they have ports of mainstream games much more than it's possible to port for 68k. |
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I think there is also the nostalgia factor. When I tell friends who had Amiga in the past, about Amiga NG systems, the first question is, so how do I run the games? Then I tell them, and they stop caring. It is Classic Amiga were the nostalgia lies, and it has been never so obvious.
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It’s great customers have plenty of choices in 2020.
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And of course you can't deny the fact that for the biggest audience Amiga was a games machine and they didn't care much about the "computing" aspect back then either. But those who used their Amigas for anything else would probably respect new developments on the OS front, but of course the percentages go to gamers. I just don't understand this loud dissing from certain people... like it would be something off from them to have these choices and efforts. |
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AEon's contribution to Warp3d Nova and the associated Radeon drivers are substantial, although they don't come standard with AmigaOS 4.1. The OpenGL ES 2.0 wrapper for it is valuable as well.
I think the rest of the OS is pretty inconsequential though. I have an old MicroA1 with the latest version of the OS and without the latest graphics chipsets, I can't think of a use for it other than Hollywood which runs better on my PPC Mac Mini under MorphOS. What will my next computer purchase be? Tabor and X5000 aren't even blips on the radar compared to the Pinebook Pro laptop that ARM AROS will likely target. |
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Given that you can't get an X5000 for less than three grand these days (after the conversion from GBP) it shouldn't be a blip on anyone's radar.
Honestly I still feel like a big part of the reason that OS4 has been a flop is because it's far more limited in where it can run. Unlike m68k hardware which is practically ubiquitous, the only options for OS4 are emulation, classics with a CyberstormPPC, or a small set of boards blessed by the touch of Hyperion. There's plenty of PPC hardware out there it could have run on, but it would have meant less control (and/or money) for Ben Hermans. Y'know what, I'm just going to blame him for it. ![]() |
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They were already getting greedy about naming rights at the '98 DevCon in St. Louis.
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Even the support for the Phase5 hardware came way too late ... and it should have supported macs and ppc-mac-clone manufacturer right from the start. (Theses clone companies where desperate after Apple ended licensing their ROMs and would have been happy for every alternative) |
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Every time i say something about this topic i get roasted, but in my personal opinion honestly as marketing, target, developers and community public relations, OS4 occupies definitely more than a chapter on the "how NOT to revive a platform" handbook, and that reflects on the health of the platform too, sooner or later
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The ability for anyone to design new hardware and have it manufactured at low cost has revolutionized the market. Now we can have all the stuff we dreamed of but couldn't afford as teenagers, and more! And all the software too, now downloadable from the net and conveniently running from a CF card. It's taken a while, but the Amiga scene is now better than ever. We are no longer in the grip of PC envy, and so are free to appreciate the Amiga for what it is. Perhaps one reason it took so long is that we had to let PCs get so far ahead that the comparison was no longer relevant. By attempting to stay relevant the 'NG' Amiga platform worked against making the break. It demoralized classic Amiga owners and gave false hope to the few 'serious' users who couldn't see the writing on the wall. Quote:
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I was a true believer (using an A3000 with 060 and RTG, Ethernet card etc. in my business) but when Pentium PCs reached 200MHz I could see it was no use trying to keep up. 10 Years later I looked at getting an 'NG' Amiga, but realized it was pointless. Luckily I kept my A1200 though - it now gets about the same amount of use as my PC! |
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