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09 July 2023, 21:32 | #24 |
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lol and no copper skies. A true crime.
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10 July 2023, 16:49 | #27 |
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you clearly do not understand what i say and put words in my mouth that i did not say
i agree the colors on the arcade port are awful i never said have more colors or parallax scrolling i NEVER said that i said "add detail to graphics" the vast flat colors on this game make it look empty and dead details like shapes of rocks or other stuff can add a lot of life to the graphics without changing how the game works one bit. but tit does require extra time andd effort put forward. i dont think there is any technical limitation to "work more on graphics" it just seems they do not want to work more on the graphics. and i know this person can do so much better because the sprites look amazing and also thats what makes the backgrounds look so dead the sprites are full of rich detail and look gorgeous i also never said i wanted a 1:1 port saimon69 so youre talking a load of tosh |
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10 July 2023, 17:14 | #29 |
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Level design is what makes this game great
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10 July 2023, 17:42 | #30 | |
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Now having said that I know he's actively working on this issue, especially after we managed to save quite a few kb from reworking/polishing the music (I gave some help in that regard). So -hopefully- we'll see more background variation moving forwards. |
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again words are being put in my mouth i never said to add that kinda stuff i said work on what is already there give it more detail. like those flat areas on the ground or the sky. instead of basing them on a flat color square give the square some texture or something
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10 July 2023, 19:43 | #33 |
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There has been alot of great games in the making lately.. but this game has some of the best sprite work of any current or old amiga game.
Basement ape is a real talent if their ever was one. 16 colors to boot. really Impressive. The original character art in rastan was good, everything else in rastan was really early pixel art. The amiga version is absolutely top notch stuff. This looks better than the original arcade. Look at it! fucking amazing. |
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10 July 2023, 20:07 | #35 | |
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Adding more details to backgrounds (vs f.e. using a flat color) requires more RAM. Why? Because in the flat color's case you only need a single tile to fill large areas, whereas if you add even a single pixel, repeating patterns start to emerge. And to make these patterns look seamless (and not painful to look at), you need a lot more tiles. Which means more RAM. Got it now? And if this is not a technical reason enough for you, here's another one: One characteristic of making good backgrounds is that they need not to obscure the player and enemies or getting mixed with the foreground gfx. In the case of the arcade , this is easy to do cause all it needs is for the backs to use their own palette and color ramps. However in this case the game uses a single 16 color palette, which means that available colors for the backs are severely limited. So adding more detail in this case is problematic cause when you start using common and brighter colors, not only then you risk losing depth (backs need to be dim and desaturated), but also start mixing with the foreground. |
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no mate you only just explained it now and in a rather awful tone that isnt appreciated
i understand now why the game backgrounds look like absolute garbage also this is done with a game engine which absolutely hinders the capability the amiga is not being used to the max here. 1MB is plenty and there are many Amiga games that have nice background graphics and run on 1MB Quote:
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I understand your frustration about using an engine, but the main reason why people use engines for that kind of game is probably the 8 way scrolling that Scorpion handles so well.
Also, it allows people without asm/C programming skills to create games, and those people are often good at graphics. Maybe once it's done you can ask for the assets and try a non-scorpion version (I'd like to see a ECS version of Xevious, so many people claimed that it would be smooth on A500 and with good colors). I wouldn't use an engine, but if I had to I'd chose Scorpion. Also I don't think I could take on a 8-way tiled scrolling game in assembly on my spare time. The only one that pulled that out recently (and completed the game!) was Muzza with Turrican 2 AGA. |
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If you ask me, you made a perfectly good argument in your very first reply. I think none disagrees that the backgrounds could look even better. Just keep in mind that the game is WIP and that stuff like that are actively worked on. |
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11 July 2023, 01:37 | #40 |
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By the way, i did look at the best of the bunch of ports, the Apple IIgs version; no parallax,ok, but the background in the latter levels brings some confusion
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