Cadaver remake - Page 2

alexh · 23 March 2009, 11:39

What can we the users do for you to make things easier for you?

StingRay · 23 March 2009, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

The bitmap bros never reply to e-mails, so imagine if I ask them their source code

Maybe they would reply then?

Jokes aside, good luck with this project, looks very promising already!

humble worm · 23 March 2009, 12:51

yeah, a threat of sue would be the reply

good luck jotd, it will be epic remake. I just cant wait

gimbal · 24 March 2009, 08:31

I would like to offer a request for enhancement: perhaps some other weapon than rocks can be implemented that are thrown at a lower arc. Right now the combat in Cadaver is dorky and annoying, you'd rather just run into spiders than try to properly kill them for example.

humble worm · 24 March 2009, 09:08

Quote:

some other weapon than rocks can be implemented that are thrown at a lower arc

you got shuriken, magic missle and others. on later levels

zenox98 · 24 March 2009, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by humble worm

you got shuriken, magic missle and others. on later levels

Machine gun or rocket launcher would be better

girv · 24 March 2009, 10:43

jotd, you crazy guy. Is this one written in C++ on SDL then?

gimbal · 24 March 2009, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by humble worm

you got shuriken, magic missle and others. on later levels

Yes, but in the first few you are stuck with rocks. ROCKS.

Although magic missile works nice against groups of annoying spiders

jotd · 24 March 2009, 21:20

I don't think I'll change the rock throwing part, no: the remake must play as close as the original. That's the reason why I did not fix the broken puzzle in Gods too (Level 2), even if fixing a confirmed bug is not a problem.

But you're right, the combat can be a pain: The payoff level 2 slime creature combat with stones is a good example.
Girv, I'm using C++ and SDL, yes. Java just won't work with devices like NDS and it needs way too much memory.

girv · 24 March 2009, 21:57

Did you ever look at C# / XNA ? Or was portability your goal from the start.

gimbal · 25 March 2009, 09:00

.NET has the same problems as Java: it eats resources like crazy to be able to handle nifty features like garbage collection that make the life of a programmer sooooo much easier.

If you want to do DS development you are pretty much stuck with C/C++ and you have to be very careful also; don't expect a mature port of SDL anytime soon. The DS development API is very specific (like any Nintendo platform really), making it hard to adapt a generic API like SDL to it and still have good performance.

Read the latest Carmack output for some notes about DS and iPhone development.

http://www.idsoftware.com/wolfenstei...evelopment.htm

alexh · 25 March 2009, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Read the latest Carmack output for some notes about DS and iPhone development.

http://www.idsoftware.com/wolfenstei...evelopment.htm

You notice that he never passed back any fixes for Wolf3D Redux directly, just released the full source via the Apple iStore which is difficult to get

jotd · 25 March 2009, 21:19

I know C++ better, and it's faster. I can handle the lack of garbage collection. Being doing that for years without trouble. The trick is to use a proper middleware to handle lists & vectors, or develop one which is robust enough, and you don't have to "new" that much in the applicative code.

Qube · 26 March 2009, 22:01

@jotd - Do you think you will include the levels from the demo versions too? - Last Supper, Temple, Gatehouse? The data in those is crunched somehow, but it may be possible to extract the lev data from emulator memory for use, mind you the Gatehouse was early and may use different ADL code to the final release..

Q;

jotd · 27 March 2009, 20:43

Hmm, demo versions were never available for the PC, and I did all the guesswork on the PC version, much simpler since it uses files. We'll see. Let's remake the original level first

Pyromania · 28 March 2009, 15:27

Very cool!

MadWasp · 29 March 2009, 21:56

If cadaver remake is as good as gods then we are all lucky...

Thx JOTD

07 May 2009, 04:04

Very cool, JOTD - look forward to the port.

I was just thinking yesterday that the DS would be perfect for isometric puzzlers, but there seems to be a paucity of them. That got me thinking about Cadaver, and how I never got round to finishing the Payoff. And that led me to this thread!

girv · 07 May 2009, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

The trick is to use a proper middleware to handle lists & vectors, or develop one which is robust enough

Which do you use? Thoughts of getting into gamedev have been bubbling in my brains again

gimbal · 07 May 2009, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by girv

Which do you use? Thoughts of getting into gamedev have been bubbling in my brains again

don't hold back! As long as you devote your time to doing improvement remakes of (optionally broken) Amiga games

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23 March 2009, 11:39	#21
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,460	What can we the users do for you to make things easier for you?

23 March 2009, 12:51	#23
humble worm Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 745	yeah, a threat of sue would be the reply good luck jotd, it will be epic remake. I just cant wait

24 March 2009, 08:31	#24
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,968	I would like to offer a request for enhancement: perhaps some other weapon than rocks can be implemented that are thrown at a lower arc. Right now the combat in Cadaver is dorky and annoying, you'd rather just run into spiders than try to properly kill them for example.

24 March 2009, 10:43	#27
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	jotd, you crazy guy. Is this one written in C++ on SDL then?

24 March 2009, 21:20	#29
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,367	I don't think I'll change the rock throwing part, no: the remake must play as close as the original. That's the reason why I did not fix the broken puzzle in Gods too (Level 2), even if fixing a confirmed bug is not a problem. But you're right, the combat can be a pain: The payoff level 2 slime creature combat with stones is a good example. Girv, I'm using C++ and SDL, yes. Java just won't work with devices like NDS and it needs way too much memory.

24 March 2009, 21:57	#30
girv Mostly Harmless Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,149	Did you ever look at C# / XNA ? Or was portability your goal from the start.

25 March 2009, 09:00	#31
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,968	.NET has the same problems as Java: it eats resources like crazy to be able to handle nifty features like garbage collection that make the life of a programmer sooooo much easier. If you want to do DS development you are pretty much stuck with C/C++ and you have to be very careful also; don't expect a mature port of SDL anytime soon. The DS development API is very specific (like any Nintendo platform really), making it hard to adapt a generic API like SDL to it and still have good performance. Read the latest Carmack output for some notes about DS and iPhone development. http://www.idsoftware.com/wolfenstei...evelopment.htm

25 March 2009, 21:19	#33
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,367	I know C++ better, and it's faster. I can handle the lack of garbage collection. Being doing that for years without trouble. The trick is to use a proper middleware to handle lists & vectors, or develop one which is robust enough, and you don't have to "new" that much in the applicative code.

26 March 2009, 22:01	#34
Qube Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England Posts: 218	@jotd - Do you think you will include the levels from the demo versions too? - Last Supper, Temple, Gatehouse? The data in those is crunched somehow, but it may be possible to extract the lev data from emulator memory for use, mind you the Gatehouse was early and may use different ADL code to the final release.. Q;

27 March 2009, 20:43	#35
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,367	Hmm, demo versions were never available for the PC, and I did all the guesswork on the PC version, much simpler since it uses files. We'll see. Let's remake the original level first

28 March 2009, 15:27	#36
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,389	Very cool!

29 March 2009, 21:56	#37
MadWasp Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dogville Posts: 35	If cadaver remake is as good as gods then we are all lucky... Thx JOTD

07 May 2009, 04:04	#38
Gorice Posts: n/a	Very cool, JOTD - look forward to the port. I was just thinking yesterday that the DS would be perfect for isometric puzzlers, but there seems to be a paucity of them. That got me thinking about Cadaver, and how I never got round to finishing the Payoff. And that led me to this thread!

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