Shit Game Time: Death Mask, a poor Doom?! - Page 2

Foebane · 15 February 2021, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predseda

According to the manual: no

Well, in that case, that does suck. I suppose it would be too easy, then.

gimbal · 15 February 2021, 16:17

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Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

Although the gameplay is closer to Dungeon Master or Hired Guns, at the time it was advertised as a Doom clone in order to get on the bandwagon:

Yeah but it's a Wolfenstein 3D wannabee, not even a clone.

You can't strafe in the game but if you look at the video it seems that is all you do, the 3D visuals are so inaccurate that it disorients me

Foebane · 15 February 2021, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Yeah but it's a Wolfenstein 3D wannabee, not even a clone.

You can't strafe in the game but if you look at the video it seems that is all you do, the 3D visuals are so inaccurate that it disorients me

It's down to the orthogonal nature of Death Mask: In other words, constant movement between right angles, always rotating 90 degrees, and it's tough to convey transition between these angles that doesn't use a lot of system resources in an under-powered video game, so the game does that flip animation that does disorientate.

Yes, the walls and corridors in Wolfenstein 3D are also orthogonal, but since you can face in any angle, you almost never have disorientation issues.

gimbal · 15 February 2021, 16:33

Probably if they had drastically sped up the turning like in Legend of Grimrock it would have been far less noticeable. But then we're probably running into hardware limitations again.

Octopus66 · 15 February 2021, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Foebane

Can you strafe in Death Mask? Would make it much easier to navigate the mazes, I think.

You can strafe in CD32 version. I have a custom mapping set-up in WinUAE and it rocks. The game is playable and fun, hardly a "shit" game IMO, but not DOOM of course.

-Acid- · 17 February 2021, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Shoonay

I think they might be also on this thing called the Interwebz or something, but we didn't have that back in the 90's...

I think we did...

Dunny · 17 February 2021, 16:14

"Shit game time"

YOU TAKE THAT BACK. Death Mask was bloody wonderful fun. It got just as much if not more play time than AB3D, Gloom, Fears and Breathless.

grond · 17 February 2021, 16:46

An Amiga friend of mine told me about Death Mask and how it was exactly like Doom and ran on an unexpanded Amiga. It was too good to believe. I wanted to believe it and told another guy I knew who was just about to abandon the Amiga for a PC but was still in the saving period that there was no reason to get a PC because, after all, the Amiga could do it. That was before I actually got a copy (ahem) of Death Mask. I was so embarrassed. My Amiga could certainly do better than that because I had a 50 MHz 1230. I had already played Alien Breed 3D (which I enjoyed despite the super blocky graphics) and there were Doom-type engine demos that actually targetted 030+ hardware and ran pretty well.

Looking at the program now I must admit that it is a fairly polished Amiga game. Death Mask would have been great if the engine had been used for Eye of the Beholder type games where it doesn't matter that you can't shoot at non-orthogonally aligned angles because you don't shoot at all. The Doom hype is what really made a technically solid graphics engine for a modest unexpanded Amiga such a crap. And it was something like six years late.

rabidgerry · 17 February 2021, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Octopus66

You can strafe in CD32 version. I have a custom mapping set-up in WinUAE and it rocks. The game is playable and fun, hardly a "shit" game IMO, but not DOOM of course.

must give that a go. Never played the CD32 version. If it had some good music as well it would improve the game. Like the intro music is pretty cool for example, similar stuff throughout would have been great.

stevsurv · 18 February 2021, 14:27

Just uploaded to the zone a .txt file with all the Death Mask keys available in the ECS/AGA Game. All tested and works!
Tested on 'ipf and cracked versions.

\ \/ __/ \/ \/ __/\/ /
==/ / / _// / / / / _/\ /====
===/ / / \ / / /DW/ / \/ \==
/__/\__\____/____/__/__/\____/__/\__\
- -- --- ---[ P R E S E N T S ]---- --- -- -
Quick Keyboard Doc for DEATH MASK by Rednex! UPDATED in 2021!!

Here is a quick overview for the keyboard layout for Death Mask to make
your enjoyment of this game a whole lot better! All been tested!

F1 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 1
F2 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 2
F3 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 1
F4 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 2
F5 = SOUND OFF
F6 = SOUND ON
F9 = 60HZ MODE ENABLED
F10= 60HZ MODE DISABLED
P = PAUSE MODE
ESC= QUIT CURRENT LIFE (NOT GAME!)

The keys that bring up the Map Screen are - Q,W,E,R,A,S,D,F,Z,X,C,V. Press FIRE to quit out of Map.

To Move Left and Up - move Joystick between left and up.
To Move Left and Down - move Joystick between Left and down.
To Move Right and Up - move Joystick between Right and Up.
To Move Right and Down - move Joystick between Right and Down.

Turn Left - Joystick Left
Turn Right - Joystick Right
Move Forward - Joystick Up
Move Back - Joystick Down

END.
Updated by Stevsurv/EAB.

rabidgerry · 18 February 2021, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevsurv

Just uploaded to the zone a .txt file with all the Death Mask keys available in the ECS/AGA Game. All tested and works!
Tested on 'ipf and cracked versions.

\ \/ __/ \/ \/ __/\/ /
==/ / / _// / / / / _/\ /====
===/ / / \ / / /DW/ / \/ \==
/__/\__\____/____/__/__/\____/__/\__\
- -- --- ---[ P R E S E N T S ]---- --- -- -
Quick Keyboard Doc for DEATH MASK by Rednex! UPDATED in 2021!!

Here is a quick overview for the keyboard layout for Death Mask to make
your enjoyment of this game a whole lot better! All been tested!

F1 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 1
F2 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 2
F3 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 1
F4 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 2
F5 = SOUND OFF
F6 = SOUND ON
F9 = 60HZ MODE ENABLED
F10= 60HZ MODE DISABLED
P = PAUSE MODE
ESC= QUIT CURRENT LIFE (NOT GAME!)

The keys that bring up the Map Screen are - Q,W,E,R,A,S,D,F,Z,X,C,V. Press FIRE to quit out of Map.

To Move Left and Up - move Joystick between left and up.
To Move Left and Down - move Joystick between Left and down.
To Move Right and Up - move Joystick between Right and Up.
To Move Right and Down - move Joystick between Right and Down.

Turn Left - Joystick Left
Turn Right - Joystick Right
Move Forward - Joystick Up
Move Back - Joystick Down

END.
Updated by Stevsurv/EAB.

Pardon my complete and utter ignorance here, I'm very new to the FTP site, but I couldn't find this. I don't even know if I know what it is either. So use this txt file to enhance the game? A WHD load version?

gimbal · 18 February 2021, 21:14

The text file is literally what you quoted there yourself. An overview of the controls and the key bindings.

rabidgerry · 18 February 2021, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

The text file is literally what you quoted there yourself. An overview of the controls and the key bindings.

So just telling us what the controls are? Am I being completely mental

here, so it's the controls that surely are already self explanatory? Or is it some kind of new functionality that I'm unaware off? The post certainly reads that way like there is an improvement to playability. I only played it on a A500 so is there more control on ECS/AGA version?

gimbal · 19 February 2021, 11:08

Doesn't look really self-explanatory to me besides the usual movement controls. But yeah, it's a bit much to present it as if it is some kind of crack.

rabidgerry · 20 February 2021, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Doesn't look really self-explanatory to me besides the usual movement controls. But yeah, it's a bit much to present it as if it is some kind of crack.

I dunno worked out the controls of the game without ever having a manual so that is what I mean by self explanatory.

But yes I though the txt file above was some kind of like enhancement

May be that's just me over thinking it.

Nobby_UK · 20 February 2021, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Acid-

I think we did...

Freeserve 1998 ?

stevsurv · 21 February 2021, 03:42

OK. Watching Zeus play through, he complained about bringing up the MAP by waggling the joystick (stupidly done by game developers!).

The original docs of Death Mask states that wagging the joystick will bring up the map. Nothing else is mentioned about the map. Zeus commented they should of assigned a key to bring up the map - the M key.

The other thing was no strafing in the game.

You can move (strafe) diagonally. This is in the original docs and does work to some degree in the game.

I played the game with both IPF and cracked versions and found 12 different keyboard keys that bring up the map! Saves wrecking ones joystick!

Looking in the EAB server I found a "Death mask keys" txt file. It was incomplete so I added and updated the file to what I found while playing the game.
Maybe a replay by Zeus?

18 February 2021, 14:27	#30
stevsurv Beta 1.666 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in 1985 Posts: 384	Just uploaded to the zone a .txt file with all the Death Mask keys available in the ECS/AGA Game. All tested and works! Tested on 'ipf and cracked versions. \ \/ __/ \/ \/ __/\/ / ==/ / / _// / / / / _/\ /==== ===/ / / \ / / /DW/ / \/ \== /__/\__\____/____/__/__/\____/__/\__\ - -- --- ---[ P R E S E N T S ]---- --- -- - Quick Keyboard Doc for DEATH MASK by Rednex! UPDATED in 2021!! Here is a quick overview for the keyboard layout for Death Mask to make your enjoyment of this game a whole lot better! All been tested! F1 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 1 F2 = QUICK TURN AROUND OFF PLAYER 2 F3 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 1 F4 = QUICK TURN AROUND ON PLAYER 2 F5 = SOUND OFF F6 = SOUND ON F9 = 60HZ MODE ENABLED F10= 60HZ MODE DISABLED P = PAUSE MODE ESC= QUIT CURRENT LIFE (NOT GAME!) The keys that bring up the Map Screen are - Q,W,E,R,A,S,D,F,Z,X,C,V. Press FIRE to quit out of Map. To Move Left and Up - move Joystick between left and up. To Move Left and Down - move Joystick between Left and down. To Move Right and Up - move Joystick between Right and Up. To Move Right and Down - move Joystick between Right and Down. Turn Left - Joystick Left Turn Right - Joystick Right Move Forward - Joystick Up Move Back - Joystick Down END. Updated by Stevsurv/EAB. Last edited by stevsurv; 18 February 2021 at 15:55.

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15 February 2021, 16:33	#24
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,950	Probably if they had drastically sped up the turning like in Legend of Grimrock it would have been far less noticeable. But then we're probably running into hardware limitations again.

17 February 2021, 16:14	#27
Dunny Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scunthorpe/United Kingdom Posts: 2,053	"Shit game time" YOU TAKE THAT BACK. Death Mask was bloody wonderful fun. It got just as much if not more play time than AB3D, Gloom, Fears and Breathless.

17 February 2021, 16:46	#28
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,923	An Amiga friend of mine told me about Death Mask and how it was exactly like Doom and ran on an unexpanded Amiga. It was too good to believe. I wanted to believe it and told another guy I knew who was just about to abandon the Amiga for a PC but was still in the saving period that there was no reason to get a PC because, after all, the Amiga could do it. That was before I actually got a copy (ahem) of Death Mask. I was so embarrassed. My Amiga could certainly do better than that because I had a 50 MHz 1230. I had already played Alien Breed 3D (which I enjoyed despite the super blocky graphics) and there were Doom-type engine demos that actually targetted 030+ hardware and ran pretty well. Looking at the program now I must admit that it is a fairly polished Amiga game. Death Mask would have been great if the engine had been used for Eye of the Beholder type games where it doesn't matter that you can't shoot at non-orthogonally aligned angles because you don't shoot at all. The Doom hype is what really made a technically solid graphics engine for a modest unexpanded Amiga such a crap. And it was something like six years late.

18 February 2021, 21:14	#32
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,950	The text file is literally what you quoted there yourself. An overview of the controls and the key bindings.

19 February 2021, 11:08	#34
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,950	Doesn't look really self-explanatory to me besides the usual movement controls. But yeah, it's a bit much to present it as if it is some kind of crack.

21 February 2021, 03:42	#37
stevsurv Beta 1.666 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in 1985 Posts: 384	OK. Watching Zeus play through, he complained about bringing up the MAP by waggling the joystick (stupidly done by game developers!). The original docs of Death Mask states that wagging the joystick will bring up the map. Nothing else is mentioned about the map. Zeus commented they should of assigned a key to bring up the map - the M key. The other thing was no strafing in the game. You can move (strafe) diagonally. This is in the original docs and does work to some degree in the game. I played the game with both IPF and cracked versions and found 12 different keyboard keys that bring up the map! Saves wrecking ones joystick! Looking in the EAB server I found a "Death mask keys" txt file. It was incomplete so I added and updated the file to what I found while playing the game. Maybe a replay by Zeus?

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