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I vote FiX them
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I vote no (sorry Crashdisk).... representing the disk 100% accurately is only the right thing to do. If there were/are 'errors' in the original disk then that's that.
I also don't think it's a great idea to widely spread 'fixed' IPFs either... provide info to users of how to remove the malware, sure... but prowler is right - you know what will happen, these 'proper' IPF images will get widely distributed as the 'corrected' game... Anyway... just my 2cents (as a non-hardcore Amiga community member and TOSEC old timer). |
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Only IPFs created by SPS guys are valid for TOSEC preservation!
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in general, why changing anything in IPFs, removing viruses and so on, in case of a virus, convert to ADF and remove the beast.
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I knew I would open a can of worms by posting my opinion above.
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back to the meaning of the thread!
Possible solution: -renaming IPFs inside multi-zip to TNC style -single-zip renamed IPFs this means, allowing double crc32 then. |
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No different from ADF though right? ADF = IPF on *this* subject? i.e. Blah (2000)(Foo)(Disk 1 of 2)(US).adf (CRC 123456A) + Blah (2000)(Foo)(Disk 2 of 2)(US).adf (CRC 123456B) Blah (2000)(Foo)(Disk 1 of 2)(EU).adf (CRC 123456C) + Blah (2000)(Foo)(Disk 2 of 2)(EU).adf (CRC 123456B) How do you treat INDIVIDUAL ADF disks atm? Can't remember what the answer was (and we never explicitly defined in TNC). Dupes or no dupes? Surely what's right for ADF is good for...? |
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I like the idea - "if it's messed up to start with, let that be the memory we remember it by"
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So (and you can correct me if I'm wrong here), these games actually came from the original duplicators with viruses installed? They actually went into the shrink-wrap and went on sale with viruses?
'Cos if they didn't, then you can't claim that these (IPF images) are exact images of the original disks, can you? D. |
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Yes, because having more than one IPF of the very same disk, one original, and one _modified_, is what the community needs. Then have someone correct spelling... wait, I am going to answer that below...
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For an easier understanding, just compare software with pictures, which need to be restored from time to time. No picture restorer would paint a fifth finger to a human hand appearing on the picture, just because it would "normally" be correct that way. He would only want to undo what's clearly signs of the times, i.e. recover the original (possibly "bad") state of the picture. Even if the artist himself admits he made a mistake like forgetting to paint a fifth finger, no one would want to see the original artwork being modified, as in the end it means loosing the original artwork forever, very much like loosing the (historical) fact that a certain game has been published with a virus on its disks.
Think of software preservation as of software history documentation, including 1:1 copies of all the data, including copy protection, including mastering mistakes, including bugs, including everything else actually on disk when initially sold, even if it might be considered bad by most people. |
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One question remains for me regarding those games, where currently version only with virus is known.
Exists maybe a second batch, where the virus was removed(by developer/publisher) before mastering? |
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I continued answering to the requests above to modify these, but it wasn't your request to do so... Just happens when you reply to a bunch of posts. No insult. Really. I mean it. ![]() Could be they did a running replacement but for those IPFed with the virus, we only have one or more dumps of this very version. The moment we'd get a replicated disk without virus, this would be IPFed as another version as well. |
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By leaving viruses on the disk you are not preserving the original painting at all, just the "arrived at the gallery damaged version". |
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I rarely look into the TOSEC and I don't even know how to get hold of IPFs, but I think the games should be preserved as they were mastered, but responsibly marked as containing virii.
It's the difference between collecting games and preserving history. |
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If the viruses in the IPF´s does not get removed. It is just a mather of time before we have IPF-Virus-Fixed versions.
Remove the virus or split the .ZIP file and mark each IPF with a [v]. |
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