PC Serial to Amiga Serial - Page 2

Cammy · 15 September 2012, 05:32

Xubuntu seems to be the simplest and also the fastest Ubuntu flavour, it's what I have used on a few of the PCs here when I was connecting with the serial cable, so you might want this one. There are ISOs for 32bit and 64bit PCs:

32bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...sktop-i386.iso
64bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...ktop-amd64.iso

You should be able to just burn it with any burning program, then reboot the PC with the disc in the drive and select it as the boot device in your BIOS if it's not set to boot from a CD/DVD already. If you're installing it to a USB stick, make sure that's plugged in too. I wouldn't recommend anything less than 8GB but you can get by with a 4GB one. The Xubuntu CD will offer to either run the OS from disc or install it first. You can choose what you want to do. I can help when you're ready. Good luck!

orange · 15 September 2012, 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammy

Xubuntu seems to be the simplest and also the fastest Ubuntu flavour, it's what I have used on a few of the PCs here when I was connecting with the serial cable, so you might want this one...

I think that's mostly because it uses XFCE by default. so you could probably achieve similar speed with other distros, by using lxde or openbox instead of kde/gnome.
but xubuntu does look nice.

prowler · 15 September 2012, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammy

Xubuntu seems to be the simplest and also the fastest Ubuntu flavour, it's what I have used on a few of the PCs here when I was connecting with the serial cable, so you might want this one. There are ISOs for 32bit and 64bit PCs:

32bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...sktop-i386.iso
64bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...ktop-amd64.iso

You should be able to just burn it with any burning program, then reboot the PC with the disc in the drive and select it as the boot device in your BIOS if it's not set to boot from a CD/DVD already. If you're installing it to a USB stick, make sure that's plugged in too. I wouldn't recommend anything less than 8GB but you can get by with a 4GB one. The Xubuntu CD will offer to either run the OS from disc or install it first. You can choose what you want to do. I can help when you're ready. Good luck!

Thanks, Cammy. That's a great help - exactly what I needed!

orange · 16 September 2012, 10:54

@prowler
debian is also nice.
I use it mainly because there is Amiga version of it, also ppc (though both stopped developing long time ago) and for other exotic hardware.
its very similar to ubuntu, you can even use the same binaries.

lesta_smsc · 29 September 2012, 00:12

Thanks for the share Cammy! Although, 8Gb for linux distro pretty big! I get away with the Ubuntu or Knoppix lol.

Twiggy · 29 September 2012, 11:02

Has anyone had any success using Mlink yet? If so, how?

Jope · 29 September 2012, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesta_smsc

8Gb for linux distro pretty big!

The live environment fits in around 700MB of space, but you'll need some extra space on your usb stick in order to store files.

kronuz · 07 October 2012, 23:13

Regarding Buildmlink.

This is what I did .

In Terminal:

sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers

...and then

sudo apt-get install build-essential

I removed lines containing bcopy from conftest.c
I edited the 3(i think ) lines in mlink.c containing gettimeofday to

gettimeofday(&ntv,NULL);

This is where I'm stuck ATM:

lars@LARS-CELSIUS-M:~/Downloads/MultiLink/Unix/mlink$ sudo sh buildmlink
Multilink Configure

Finding C compiler...
Has GCC.

Compiling test file...
Known system, Using defines in config.h
Configuration done.

Building makefile...

Building mlink...

rm mlink.o mux.o sockcmds.o sockchk.o mlconfig.o lists.o tty.o fifo.o escape.o packetec.o openpty.o errnomap.o globals.h
sed -n -e "/^export/ p" *.c > globals.h
gcc -traditional -c mlink.c

Build was unsuccessful.
Error file is in make.err

make.err reads:

rm: cannot remove `mlink.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `mux.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `sockcmds.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `sockchk.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `mlconfig.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `lists.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `tty.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `fifo.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `escape.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `packetec.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `openpty.o': No such file or directory
rm: cannot remove `errnomap.o': No such file or directory
make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
gcc: error: GNU C no longer supports -traditional without -E (<---this is the little bugger)
make: *** [mlink.o] Error 1

Well...that's it for to day

emufan · 08 October 2012, 01:10

kronuz: the error i forgot above ( happens here within a cygwin environment):

Code:

make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
gcc: GNU C no longer supports -traditional without -E
make: *** [mlink.o] Error 1

to fix this edit: buildmlink on line 18:

Code:

    cextra=" -traditional"

into

Code:

    cextra=""

next there is the timeofday syntax error, described above. make.err:

Code:

mlink.c:89: error: `Gettimeofday' undeclared (first use in this function)
mlink.c:172: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday'

so change in mlink.c line 89:

Code:

Gettimeofday(&otv);

into

Code:

gettimeofday(&otv,NULL);

the one i do not know is:

Code:

mlink.c:149: error: `FIONREAD' undeclared (first use in this function)

found a working replacement, not sure its impact. at least it compiles this part now; edit the line 149:

Code:

 ioctl(0, FIONBIO, &num);

next "gettimeofday" again, edit sockcmds.c line256:

Code:

sockcmds.c:256: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday'

system definition is strange, buildscript thinks its a "SVR4" ( systemv release 4 ?!), so have to edit in includes.h (line 54):

Code:

#ifdef SVR4
#include <stropts.h>
#endif

into

Code:

//#ifdef SVR4
//#include <stropts.h>
//#endif

some more gettimeofday locations:

Code:

packetec.c:106: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday'
packetec.c:185: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday'

next a typo (!?) - found a posting which indicates this:

Code:

openpty.c:115: error: `TIOCFLUSH' undeclared (first use in this function)

line 115 from file openpty.c, into:

Code:

  tcflush(pt->pt_pfd, TCIOFLUSH);

next again as per system definition, cheating here might not work so well:

Code:

openpty.c:129: error: `I_PUSH' undeclared (first use in this function)

this belongs to the pseudo terminal thing. sstill stuck with SVR4 system definition.best we could convince the build script, looking for "linux" like system. i think about it later - if noone else comes first

Hint:
in make.err look for "error:" , those do stop compiling. "warning:" are just for information, can harm things too, but it does compile.
things above only if you read about them in make.err after ./buildmlink .

kronuz · 08 October 2012, 11:28

Stuck on this.

make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
In file included from mlink.c:17:0:
defs.h:86:21: error: field ‘rd’ has incomplete type
defs.h:87:21: error: field ‘wr’ has incomplete type
defs.h:88:21: error: field ‘ex’ has incomplete type
mlink.c: In function ‘main’:
mlink.c:47:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default]
/usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void (*)(void)’
mlink.c:50:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default]
/usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void (*)(void)’
mlink.c:52:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default]
/usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void (*)(void)’
mlink.c: In function ‘cwait’:
mlink.c:281:9: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘waitpid’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default]
/usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/sys/wait.h:139:16: note: expected ‘int *’ but argument is of type ‘union wait *’
make: *** [mlink.o] Error 1

I really don't have time for something like this in the middle of the week....so I found a nice guide on amitcp - linux: http://wnd.katei.fi/amiga/network.html

As I understand, my soon-to-be 2mb chip+ 8 mb fast A500 should be able to run this.

emufan · 08 October 2012, 17:29

and I thought you want mlink at all costs

one from this board (IIRC) made a networkbootfloppy.
this will be a good start, if depencencies fit: http://jpv.wmhost.com/NetworkBootDisk/.
give it a try.
Edit: oh, my bad again, A500 not listed. but worth a look.

emufan · 08 October 2012, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronuz

Stuck on this.

make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
In file included from mlink.c:17:0:
defs.h:86:21: error: field ‘rd’ has incomplete type
defs.h:87:21: error: field ‘wr’ has incomplete type
defs.h:88:21: error: field ‘ex’ has incomplete type

in defs.h, insert on top of file, where you find other includes:

Code:

#include <sys/select.h>
#include <sys/types.h>

cannot confirm, since i dont have the errors yet.

kronuz · 09 October 2012, 09:57

Ah thanks.
Really I DO want mlink on a500 at all costs...wanting to have as much RAM available as possible.
Looking into amiTcp on the a500 now...looks like it's gonna go well. Seems like the only option that is going to work out by the end of the year....That or digging up a modem

I tried this on my ubuntu last night, but got stuck...and the terminal had to be stopped with ctr-c.

Load module for slip: sudo modprobe slip
Start slattach: sudo slattach -v -d -p slip -s 19200 /dev/ttyS0
Create network interface: sudo ifconfig sl0 172.16.180.1 pointopoint 172.16.180.2 up
Set up network forwarding: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o sl0 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

emufan · 09 October 2012, 10:50

oh my ... never ever done slip connection; I dont have equipment to test it here.
what i read from related websites, they do add a route/default gateway:
SLIP Configuration
Static IP address SLIP connections using slattach
Slip Networking

kronuz · 09 October 2012, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

oh my ... never ever done slip connection; I dont have equipment to test it here.
what i read from related websites, they do add a route/default gateway:
SLIP Configuration
Static IP address SLIP connections using slattach
Slip Networking

thanks for the urls....will have a read when I get done with petting old servers at work. i have aLOT of computers stashed around in cabinets, closets, under the beds and so on....so I will definately have a go at slip to amitcp

want to irc with my a500 soo baad

emufan · 09 October 2012, 19:29

i finaly build an executable. cannot test , due to lack of equipment.

the "I_PUSH" in openpty.c problem from above i fixed: openpty.c line 128:

Code:

#ifdef SVR4
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, I_PUSH, "ptem");
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, I_PUSH, "ldterm");
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, I_PUSH, "ttcompat");
#endif

into:

Code:

#ifdef SVR4
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, TIOCPKT, "ptem");
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, TIOCPKT, "ldterm");
    ioctl(pt->pt_tfd, TIOCPKT, "ttcompat");
#endif

info came from: Linux equivalent of I_PUSH

i did not got the errors from defs.h.

so it builds an executable using cygwin. starting mlink.exe it's stalled now with "STRT" on command line.

Edit: another link from amiga.org: setup slip connection

Edit2: maybe found a replacement for the deprecated FIONREAD, at least a website says so.

Code:

Buffer count and flushing 

FIONREAD 
int *argp 
Get the number of bytes in the input buffer. 
TIOCINQ 
int *argp 
Same as FIONREAD.

Edit3: apply the patch within the mlink folder: patch -p1 < ../mlink.diff.txt
Edit4: after applying the patch, i had to chmod the files ( no clue why ...) : chmod u+rwX * within mlink folder.

kronuz · 10 October 2012, 20:33

Haven't had time to check out your latest changes.
But I have noticed my slackware does not have ttyS0...only tty0

with amitcp to slip , amitcp just reports no connection.

emufan · 10 October 2012, 21:20

try MAKEDEV or mknod: to create device nodes.
those ttyX are terminal windows ( ctrl-alt-Fx ) (IIRC), whereas the ttyS0 are those serial line devices nodes. both should be there, i think. last maybe only created, if there is a need for it, from installed packages, do not know.

did you checked last slip how-to from amiga.org?

kronuz · 10 October 2012, 22:59

ttys0 is up

still nothing on the amitcp-option...

I dunno in what or where gunni would have issued those commands amiga-side...Can't find much on mbox.

I am digging up a new a500 and another PC...starting over.

emufan · 11 October 2012, 11:04

the commands listed by "gunni" comes from AmigaNOS - Network Operating System for Amiga 500.
How to set up a TCP/IP dialogue between AmigaNOS and a PC or a C64
Aminet has a download of AmigaNOS. older version and tools can be found here.

Edit: this is working somehow:
extract AmigaNOSGW6 , maybe to DH1:
assign TCPIP: DH1:AmigaNOSGW6
create file TCPIP:nos-startup with the commands by gunni at amiga.org (amiga side).
start TCPIP:AmigaNOSGW from CLI. it is reading the nos-startup. more i cannot test here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronuz

ttys0 is up

it must be ttyS0, big S.

08 October 2012, 01:10	#29
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	kronuz: the error i forgot above ( happens here within a cygwin environment): Code: make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored) gcc: GNU C no longer supports -traditional without -E make: *** [mlink.o] Error 1 to fix this edit: buildmlink on line 18: Code: cextra=" -traditional" into Code: cextra="" next there is the timeofday syntax error, described above. make.err: Code: mlink.c:89: error: `Gettimeofday' undeclared (first use in this function) mlink.c:172: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday' so change in mlink.c line 89: Code: Gettimeofday(&otv); into Code: gettimeofday(&otv,NULL); the one i do not know is: Code: mlink.c:149: error: `FIONREAD' undeclared (first use in this function) found a working replacement, not sure its impact. at least it compiles this part now; edit the line 149: Code: ioctl(0, FIONBIO, &num); next "gettimeofday" again, edit sockcmds.c line256: Code: sockcmds.c:256: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday' system definition is strange, buildscript thinks its a "SVR4" ( systemv release 4 ?!), so have to edit in includes.h (line 54): Code: #ifdef SVR4 #include <stropts.h> #endif into Code: //#ifdef SVR4 //#include <stropts.h> //#endif some more gettimeofday locations: Code: packetec.c:106: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday' packetec.c:185: error: too few arguments to function `gettimeofday' next a typo (!?) - found a posting which indicates this: Code: openpty.c:115: error: `TIOCFLUSH' undeclared (first use in this function) line 115 from file openpty.c, into: Code: tcflush(pt->pt_pfd, TCIOFLUSH); next again as per system definition, cheating here might not work so well: Code: openpty.c:129: error: `I_PUSH' undeclared (first use in this function) this belongs to the pseudo terminal thing. sstill stuck with SVR4 system definition.best we could convince the build script, looking for "linux" like system. i think about it later - if noone else comes first Hint: in make.err look for "error:" , those do stop compiling. "warning:" are just for information, can harm things too, but it does compile. things above only if you read about them in make.err after ./buildmlink . Last edited by emufan; 08 October 2012 at 02:59.

09 October 2012, 09:57	#33
kronuz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 38 Posts: 26	Ah thanks. Really I DO want mlink on a500 at all costs...wanting to have as much RAM available as possible. Looking into amiTcp on the a500 now...looks like it's gonna go well. Seems like the only option that is going to work out by the end of the year....That or digging up a modem I tried this on my ubuntu last night, but got stuck...and the terminal had to be stopped with ctr-c. Load module for slip: sudo modprobe slip Start slattach: sudo slattach -v -d -p slip -s 19200 /dev/ttyS0 Create network interface: sudo ifconfig sl0 172.16.180.1 pointopoint 172.16.180.2 up Set up network forwarding: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o sl0 -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
amiga 500 with serial no. 1	amiga500	Amiga scene	29	27 March 2010 15:37
Serial Mouse on Amiga - Anyone Succeeded in This?	chaoticjelly	Hardware mods	3	12 August 2007 11:48
Serial Link Amiga <> PC WinUAE	superponey	support.WinUAE	3	15 August 2006 00:26
Amiga Explorer and Serial PC ports?	chaoticjelly	support.Hardware	1	12 June 2005 16:46
PC to Amiga transferring via serial/parallel	Bamiga2002	Amiga scene	0	19 October 2004 22:34

15 September 2012, 05:32	#21
Cammy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tasmania, Australia Age: 39 Posts: 1,198	Xubuntu seems to be the simplest and also the fastest Ubuntu flavour, it's what I have used on a few of the PCs here when I was connecting with the serial cable, so you might want this one. There are ISOs for 32bit and 64bit PCs: 32bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...sktop-i386.iso 64bit - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r...ktop-amd64.iso You should be able to just burn it with any burning program, then reboot the PC with the disc in the drive and select it as the boot device in your BIOS if it's not set to boot from a CD/DVD already. If you're installing it to a USB stick, make sure that's plugged in too. I wouldn't recommend anything less than 8GB but you can get by with a 4GB one. The Xubuntu CD will offer to either run the OS from disc or install it first. You can choose what you want to do. I can help when you're ready. Good luck!

16 September 2012, 10:54	#24
orange Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Belgrade Posts: 567	@prowler debian is also nice. I use it mainly because there is Amiga version of it, also ppc (though both stopped developing long time ago) and for other exotic hardware. its very similar to ubuntu, you can even use the same binaries.

29 September 2012, 00:12	#25
lesta_smsc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,186	Thanks for the share Cammy! Although, 8Gb for linux distro pretty big! I get away with the Ubuntu or Knoppix lol.

29 September 2012, 11:02	#26
Twiggy \m/ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Devon, U.K. Posts: 573	Has anyone had any success using Mlink yet? If so, how?

07 October 2012, 23:13	#28
kronuz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 38 Posts: 26	Regarding Buildmlink. This is what I did . In Terminal: sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers ...and then sudo apt-get install build-essential I removed lines containing bcopy from conftest.c I edited the 3(i think ) lines in mlink.c containing gettimeofday to gettimeofday(&ntv,NULL); This is where I'm stuck ATM: lars@LARS-CELSIUS-M:~/Downloads/MultiLink/Unix/mlink$ sudo sh buildmlink Multilink Configure Finding C compiler... Has GCC. Compiling test file... Known system, Using defines in config.h Configuration done. Building makefile... Building mlink... rm mlink.o mux.o sockcmds.o sockchk.o mlconfig.o lists.o tty.o fifo.o escape.o packetec.o openpty.o errnomap.o globals.h sed -n -e "/^export/ p" .c > globals.h gcc -traditional -c mlink.c Build was unsuccessful. Error file is in make.err make.err reads: rm: cannot remove `mlink.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `mux.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `sockcmds.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `sockchk.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `mlconfig.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `lists.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `tty.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `fifo.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `escape.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `packetec.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `openpty.o': No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `errnomap.o': No such file or directory make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored) gcc: error: GNU C no longer supports -traditional without -E (<---this is the little bugger) make: ** [mlink.o] Error 1 Well...that's it for to day

08 October 2012, 11:28	#30
kronuz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 38 Posts: 26	Stuck on this. make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored) In file included from mlink.c:17:0: defs.h:86:21: error: field ‘rd’ has incomplete type defs.h:87:21: error: field ‘wr’ has incomplete type defs.h:88:21: error: field ‘ex’ has incomplete type mlink.c: In function ‘main’: mlink.c:47:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] /usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void ()(void)’ mlink.c:50:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] /usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void ()(void)’ mlink.c:52:5: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘signal’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] /usr/include/signal.h:101:23: note: expected ‘__sighandler_t’ but argument is of type ‘void ()(void)’ mlink.c: In function ‘cwait’: mlink.c:281:9: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘waitpid’ from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/sys/wait.h:139:16: note: expected ‘int ’ but argument is of type ‘union wait ’ make: ** [mlink.o] Error 1 I really don't have time for something like this in the middle of the week....so I found a nice guide on amitcp - linux: http://wnd.katei.fi/amiga/network.html As I understand, my soon-to-be 2mb chip+ 8 mb fast A500 should be able to run this.

08 October 2012, 17:29	#31
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	and I thought you want mlink at all costs one from this board (IIRC) made a networkbootfloppy. this will be a good start, if depencencies fit: http://jpv.wmhost.com/NetworkBootDisk/. give it a try. Edit: oh, my bad again, A500 not listed. but worth a look.

09 October 2012, 10:50	#34
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	oh my ... never ever done slip connection; I dont have equipment to test it here. what i read from related websites, they do add a route/default gateway: SLIP Configuration Static IP address SLIP connections using slattach Slip Networking

10 October 2012, 20:33	#37
kronuz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 38 Posts: 26	Haven't had time to check out your latest changes. But I have noticed my slackware does not have ttyS0...only tty0 with amitcp to slip , amitcp just reports no connection.

10 October 2012, 21:20	#38
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	try MAKEDEV or mknod: to create device nodes. those ttyX are terminal windows ( ctrl-alt-Fx ) (IIRC), whereas the ttyS0 are those serial line devices nodes. both should be there, i think. last maybe only created, if there is a need for it, from installed packages, do not know. did you checked last slip how-to from amiga.org?

10 October 2012, 22:59	#39
kronuz Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 38 Posts: 26	ttys0 is up still nothing on the amitcp-option... I dunno in what or where gunni would have issued those commands amiga-side...Can't find much on mbox. I am digging up a new a500 and another PC...starting over.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)