RFC: SPS/CAPS @ back2roots ?

[dlfrsilver]

well finger crossed, thought i've lost a bit faith..... We have no news, nothing
comes....

[hippie2000]

this is related info i "found by surprise" which might explain a few things:

as i did www dns changes today and activated stats on new machine i noticed
in the stats that the new machine had 20 queries for the term "caps", surprisingly
in our Webdir and not in our Games section, so i believe it could only
be related to this thread. (our webdir is totally outdated and unused)
http://www.back2roots.org/Webdir/Files/0/?find=caps

seeing this i was reminded of what i personally wrote about 5 years ago.
even more surprised i was when i clicked the link. (try it!).

so here my response (5 mins after i _first_ saw this):
- i saw this the first time today (wondering...)
- our webdir is not maintained since this time (see the jobs section)
- i'll correct that info to recent facts as soon as i can update the dbs again.
send me corrected same sized info and i'll replace it then
- a new maintainer for the webdir applied recently
- several hundred other links have outdated info and logo/url too.
- why didnt anyone send me an update request?

this should not start a flame thread, just believe me i never clicked
or read that link since i added it.

[BippyM]

Originally Posted by Chain

just wondering why bippy is against that idea...

Sorry I mis-read the post

If it is for stuff that BTTR has legal issues to distribute then it is good

[Doc Mindie]

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@eLowar

i dont know about you but I am more interested in this member "Retro" that the Doc's on about

@Doc
whom is this Retro of whom you post of ?!

truth is my friend, those that don't know any better will continual to call it what every the like as apposed to what it really is.... for me... i can understand the confusion of ROMS, but what I can never forgive people whom refer to my or any other Amiga (CD32 not included) as a "Console" ....thats just people being completely illiterate.

Now.... wheres all them CAPS/SPS members we have here..... they should say something.

*grumble* So typo's happen.... heck, I'm sitting on Windows, things WILL happen that I ahve no control over. Unlike my beloved Amiga..... :P

Anyways. eLowar: Definition of ROM vs DISK/DISC: ROM is permanently inside the computer, ala kickstart, BIOS, etc. And I don't think ANY CD has been permanently put inside anything?

*Oh, and the CAPS/SPS team:

Just 2 more weeks, and they'll be here :look

*runs*

[Graham Humphrey]

Doesn't ROM stand for "Read Only Memory"? Surely it doesn't have to be permanently inside a machine to count as "ROM"? Hence CD-ROM - you can't write to it, therefore it's "Read Only".

[Doc Mindie]

I just claim that term "Memory" is wrongly applied to the CD, that's all... as you don't normally go around changing your Kickstart or your BIOS, or put in a new one with other stuff in it, I feel that "CD-ROM" is comepletely the wrong term, it should be "CD-ROD" (for Disc or Drive, just like HD is Harddrive/HardDisk). I prefer to view a CD as a write protected HD, in many ways.

Anyways, that is a mere technicality... but floppy disk images is _NOT_ ROM's like they used in NES, SNES, SMS, and other cartridge driven consoles. Purely because the disk-images is designed to go back onto a floppy and thus can be overwritten (unless write protected).

[eLowar]

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

I just claim that term "Memory" is wrongly applied to the CD, that's all... as you don't normally go around changing your Kickstart or your BIOS, or put in a new one with other stuff in it, I feel that "CD-ROM" is comepletely the wrong term, it should be "CD-ROD" (for Disc or Drive, just like HD is Harddrive/HardDisk). I prefer to view a CD as a write protected HD, in many ways.

Anyways, that is a mere technicality... but floppy disk images is _NOT_ ROM's like they used in NES, SNES, SMS, and other cartridge driven consoles. Purely because the disk-images is designed to go back onto a floppy and thus can be overwritten (unless write protected).

You're contradicting yourself there. How can you call NES (et al) cartridges ROMs and at the same time say CD-ROMs aren't ROMs?

Oh, and "Compact Disc - Read Only Disc"?

[Doc Mindie]

Compact DISC - Read Only Drive

The CD ain't "memory" as of such, in the same sense as a HD or FD is not. If anything, a CD is more comparable to a large, writeprotected floppy

While the NES (et al) actually USED ROMS for their games cartdridges.

As I said, it's technicalities. Just because Windows is the biggest OS on the market, doesn't make it technically "the best". Just because some weirdo thought up the term "CD-ROM" doesn't make it technically "memory". I know, I'm knitpicking... allow me one or three quirks of me own. After all, my very first computer was an Amiga A500. It's my goddamn right to have a few quirks :P

[eLowar]

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

Compact DISC - Read Only Drive

Sucky name for the media (as opposed to the drive) then, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

The CD ain't "memory" as of such, in the same sense as a HD or FD is not. If anything, a CD is more comparable to a large, writeprotected floppy

While the NES (et al) actually USED ROMS for their games cartdridges.

Which are removable... (like CD-ROMs and other such media)

I'd accept the argument that "memory" is traditionally something the processor can directly address, which probably applies more to console cartridges (although I don't really know the specifics there) than to CD-ROMs. But consider that "virtual memory" is "memory" too and that in a modern OS almost anything can be mapped into the system "memory". So since there's not even any clearcut technical definition, why argue with the intuitive interpretation of the word?

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

As I said, it's technicalities. Just because Windows is the biggest OS on the market, doesn't make it technically "the best". Just because some weirdo thought up the term "CD-ROM" doesn't make it technically "memory". I know, I'm knitpicking... allow me one or three quirks of me own. After all, my very first computer was an Amiga A500. It's my goddamn right to have a few quirks :P

Sure, why not.

[hippie2000]

today i finally finished the database updater,
and first i did is update that sensitive link

http://www.back2roots.org/Webdir/Fil...20Society%2C1/

(besides adding 9 fish CDs)

renamings will be done once the renamer works.