IDE SCSI Bridge with CF Card Adapter for Video Toaster Flyer - Page 2

crazyegg · 02 November 2009, 02:54

Hi All,

Another update:

I just located my old Sandisk Extreme III 2Gig CF card.

I tested this card on the Flyer SCSI chain and it exceeds all specifications as required by the Flyer in HQ5 mode.

Read and write times are about 6 Mb/s and the idle times are ZERO!

This project is going to get a bit more expensive as the larger sized Extreme III cards are still rather expensive. ;-((.

Regards....ed

rkauer · 02 November 2009, 23:07

Try with some "old" 2Gb Extreme CF, mate.

crazyegg · 10 November 2009, 15:35

Hi All,

I bought some Kingston 8Gb 133x CF cards for $35 and its works!

So, my Flyer SCSI chains looks like this:
A: 8Gb CF
B: 8Gb CF
C: 2Gb CF

I have successfully formated each "SCSI" drive using FlyerTools and it properly shows that the full 8Gb is available in FlyerTools.

However, when I go to the Workbench screen, it only shows that 4Gb is available.

I am currently using the standard FFS and the standard scsi.device. Do I need to update my filesystem and the scsi.device? I was under the impression that this was not needed for scsi devices?

Can anyone shed some light?

Regards...ed

alexh · 10 November 2009, 17:04

I would imagine that your system does not use a kickstart / AmigaOS scsi.device. They are only for the A3000 & A4000T SCSI controllers. You will be using whatever the Flyers SCSI driver is called.

Where in Workbench does it show that 4Gb is available?

Are you trying to use all 8GB in one partition?

Which version of Workbench & FFS are you using? I believe the latest version of FFS was 45.15

http://evogt.free.fr/amigasoft.html

I'll try to advise but Thomas is your man when it comes AmigaOS FFS limitations.

crazyegg · 10 November 2009, 23:57

Hi All,

The 3 SCSI Flyer drives show up as normal drives on my Amiga desktop. As such, I have SCSI drives (A, B and C). When I double click on Flyer A drive from the desktop, the drive window pops up and shows only 4Gb available on the window toolbar.

However, the Flyer HDToolbox correctly shows 8Gb available.

I have never used greater than 2Gb SCSI before in the past so I do not have any experience with "large" SCSI drives.

QUESTION: For those which are using 8Gb or larger SCSI harddrives with a 3rd party SCSI controller, are your SCSI drives correctly reporting the total capacity? Do you need to upgrade the FFS to SFS so as to recognize the whole SCSI 8Gb partition?

PS: I am running OS 3.1 so I am pretty sure that I have an outdated FF file system. Also, I am hoping that the OS 3.1 is just incorrectly reporting 4Gb when in fact the whole 8Gb is present. If not, I guess I will have to reformat to SFS....?

Regards...ed

rkauer · 12 November 2009, 02:01

I installed a 18Gb SCSI HD on mine A2000 and it works like a charm if I use FFS from OS3.9 or SFS.

Without OS3.9 SFS is one of the few options you have. AFS or PFS 2/3 are the others.

Pyromania · 12 November 2009, 02:08

@crazyegg

This is normal, the Amiga never shows the true size of Flyer drives if memory serves. So it finally works? You recorded HQ5 video to the CF cards with the Flyer? If it works sign me up please!

crazyegg · 12 November 2009, 20:14

Hi,

I have not yet recorded any HQ5 clips yet. I'll probably hook up a dvd to the Toaster Input 1 later as a test...

I have some flyer clips on CD and will try to set up a flyer project soon. But so far so good!

Regards...ed

Pyromania · 13 November 2009, 07:23

@crazyegg

Want a free fire effects product from us to test? It contains Flyer clips.

crazyegg · 14 November 2009, 19:27

Hi,

Sure! Can you post it in The Zone? I have to first calibrate and find a composite monitor for the program out of the Toaster. I should have this done by early next week.

Regards....ed

rkauer · 15 November 2009, 04:53

Why not a simple TV?

crazyegg · 18 November 2009, 02:59

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay but I had some calibration issues with the Toaster and Flyer cards. I could not sync the RGB out of the A4000 to the Input 1 of the Toaster.

As such, I had to find a Commodore RGB-VGA version 3 plug which I new I had under some boxes. FYI, the version 1 doesn't work properly with VGA monitors/TVs. This was corrected in version 3 and was so lucky to have it...

Everything is calibrated now and auto-hued!

The final thing to do is to input some DVD footage into the Input 1 of the toaster and capture it as a Flyer clip.

Regards...ed

Pyromania · 18 November 2009, 04:47

@crazyegg

Hot damn! I can't wait until you make this work!

Pyromania · 18 November 2009, 04:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyegg

Hi,

Sure! Can you post it in The Zone? I have to first calibrate and find a composite monitor for the program out of the Toaster. I should have this done by early next week.

Regards....ed

FYI

What we send you can't be posted in the Zone.

rkauer · 18 November 2009, 17:43

IIRC, you can't connect a DVD to the anything but a TV set without issues in the image. Was a protection hardware used to avoid copies...

crazyegg · 18 November 2009, 18:42

Hi All,

Thanks for the tip. I forgot about that macrovision copy protection stuff...

Anyways, I have some good news and bad news....

First the good news. I hookup up my partner's digital camera which has a camcorder mode into Toaster input 1. I was successful in recording the input 1 as a flyer clip onto the CF card!

Now the bad news. This was only possible using the expensive Sandisk Extreme III card. I could not get it going with the Kingston Elite 133x card. ;-((.

What confuses me is that the Kingston card PASSED the Flyer test for both read AND write speeds AND idle times. But when it came time to actually record real video onto it, it failed due to dropped frame rates. Even when using the LOWEST quality mode, the card still fails.

I am now tempted to get a cheap 2.5 IDE HD instead.... ;-((

Regards...ed

alexh · 18 November 2009, 18:45

That is so strange, maybe it is a fake card or something?

crazyegg · 18 November 2009, 23:23

Hi,

Yes, very weird and worse, very frustrating especially after I bought 2 of cheaper these cards...

The FlyerHDTools program correctly identifies the firmware as Kingston Elite. In addition, the packaging appeared very legit and the place I bought these is a large chain store in Canada.

I don't believe the cards are fake. But I guess its true......you get what you pay for ;-))

Regards...ed

crazyegg · 23 November 2009, 03:46

Hi All,

Due to cost issues, I have decided to use an old 160 Gb 2.5 IDE drive as the main SCSI drive. ;-(...

I was hoping to go completely CF for all the hard drives when I first started this project.

Now, my Flyer SCSI chain stands as:

A: Seagate 160 Gb 2.5 HD
B: Sandisk Extreme III 2 Gb CF
C: Kingston Elite 133x 8 Gb CF

For those who are interested, I had to use a 40 pin to 44 pin IDE converter in order to connect the 160 Gb HD to the SCSI-IDE bridge. However, the converter which I originally used only had 2 power wires (5V and Ground). I could not get this drive working...

Only after getting a new converter with 4 power wires did it finally get working. I thought that 2.5 HDs only drew power from the 5V line?

Anyways, everything is up and running finally in a self contained A4000!!! The HD is actually not that noisey as that was my initial concern. The fan from the PSU of the A4000 is drowning it out ;-)

Let the cheesy wipes and effects begin!

Regards....ed

Pyromania · 23 November 2009, 23:08

@crazyegg

Wow you have made great progress, thanx for being the first one to publicly get this to work. Why not buy this card and use it to boot the A4000 off a flashdrive?

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=795

If you have cost issues maybe you can do that later? Then you will be 100% CF!

10 November 2009, 17:04	#24
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,460	I would imagine that your system does not use a kickstart / AmigaOS scsi.device. They are only for the A3000 & A4000T SCSI controllers. You will be using whatever the Flyers SCSI driver is called. Where in Workbench does it show that 4Gb is available? Are you trying to use all 8GB in one partition? Which version of Workbench & FFS are you using? I believe the latest version of FFS was 45.15 http://evogt.free.fr/amigasoft.html I'll try to advise but Thomas is your man when it comes AmigaOS FFS limitations. Last edited by alexh; 10 November 2009 at 17:19.

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02 November 2009, 02:54	#21
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, Another update: I just located my old Sandisk Extreme III 2Gig CF card. I tested this card on the Flyer SCSI chain and it exceeds all specifications as required by the Flyer in HQ5 mode. Read and write times are about 6 Mb/s and the idle times are ZERO! This project is going to get a bit more expensive as the larger sized Extreme III cards are still rather expensive. ;-((. Regards....ed

02 November 2009, 23:07	#22
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Try with some "old" 2Gb Extreme CF, mate.

10 November 2009, 15:35	#23
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, I bought some Kingston 8Gb 133x CF cards for $35 and its works! So, my Flyer SCSI chains looks like this: A: 8Gb CF B: 8Gb CF C: 2Gb CF I have successfully formated each "SCSI" drive using FlyerTools and it properly shows that the full 8Gb is available in FlyerTools. However, when I go to the Workbench screen, it only shows that 4Gb is available. I am currently using the standard FFS and the standard scsi.device. Do I need to update my filesystem and the scsi.device? I was under the impression that this was not needed for scsi devices? Can anyone shed some light? Regards...ed

10 November 2009, 23:57	#25
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, The 3 SCSI Flyer drives show up as normal drives on my Amiga desktop. As such, I have SCSI drives (A, B and C). When I double click on Flyer A drive from the desktop, the drive window pops up and shows only 4Gb available on the window toolbar. However, the Flyer HDToolbox correctly shows 8Gb available. I have never used greater than 2Gb SCSI before in the past so I do not have any experience with "large" SCSI drives. QUESTION: For those which are using 8Gb or larger SCSI harddrives with a 3rd party SCSI controller, are your SCSI drives correctly reporting the total capacity? Do you need to upgrade the FFS to SFS so as to recognize the whole SCSI 8Gb partition? PS: I am running OS 3.1 so I am pretty sure that I have an outdated FF file system. Also, I am hoping that the OS 3.1 is just incorrectly reporting 4Gb when in fact the whole 8Gb is present. If not, I guess I will have to reformat to SFS....? Regards...ed

12 November 2009, 02:01	#26
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I installed a 18Gb SCSI HD on mine A2000 and it works like a charm if I use FFS from OS3.9 or SFS. Without OS3.9 SFS is one of the few options you have. AFS or PFS 2/3 are the others.

12 November 2009, 02:08	#27
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,389	@crazyegg This is normal, the Amiga never shows the true size of Flyer drives if memory serves. So it finally works? You recorded HQ5 video to the CF cards with the Flyer? If it works sign me up please!

12 November 2009, 20:14	#28
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi, I have not yet recorded any HQ5 clips yet. I'll probably hook up a dvd to the Toaster Input 1 later as a test... I have some flyer clips on CD and will try to set up a flyer project soon. But so far so good! Regards...ed

13 November 2009, 07:23	#29
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,389	@crazyegg Want a free fire effects product from us to test? It contains Flyer clips.

14 November 2009, 19:27	#30
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi, Sure! Can you post it in The Zone? I have to first calibrate and find a composite monitor for the program out of the Toaster. I should have this done by early next week. Regards....ed

15 November 2009, 04:53	#31
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Why not a simple TV?

18 November 2009, 02:59	#32
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, Sorry for the delay but I had some calibration issues with the Toaster and Flyer cards. I could not sync the RGB out of the A4000 to the Input 1 of the Toaster. As such, I had to find a Commodore RGB-VGA version 3 plug which I new I had under some boxes. FYI, the version 1 doesn't work properly with VGA monitors/TVs. This was corrected in version 3 and was so lucky to have it... Everything is calibrated now and auto-hued! The final thing to do is to input some DVD footage into the Input 1 of the toaster and capture it as a Flyer clip. Regards...ed

18 November 2009, 04:47	#33
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,389	@crazyegg Hot damn! I can't wait until you make this work!

18 November 2009, 17:43	#35
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	IIRC, you can't connect a DVD to the anything but a TV set without issues in the image. Was a protection hardware used to avoid copies...

18 November 2009, 18:42	#36
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, Thanks for the tip. I forgot about that macrovision copy protection stuff... Anyways, I have some good news and bad news.... First the good news. I hookup up my partner's digital camera which has a camcorder mode into Toaster input 1. I was successful in recording the input 1 as a flyer clip onto the CF card! Now the bad news. This was only possible using the expensive Sandisk Extreme III card. I could not get it going with the Kingston Elite 133x card. ;-((. What confuses me is that the Kingston card PASSED the Flyer test for both read AND write speeds AND idle times. But when it came time to actually record real video onto it, it failed due to dropped frame rates. Even when using the LOWEST quality mode, the card still fails. I am now tempted to get a cheap 2.5 IDE HD instead.... ;-(( Regards...ed

18 November 2009, 18:45	#37
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,460	That is so strange, maybe it is a fake card or something?

18 November 2009, 23:23	#38
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi, Yes, very weird and worse, very frustrating especially after I bought 2 of cheaper these cards... The FlyerHDTools program correctly identifies the firmware as Kingston Elite. In addition, the packaging appeared very legit and the place I bought these is a large chain store in Canada. I don't believe the cards are fake. But I guess its true......you get what you pay for ;-)) Regards...ed

23 November 2009, 03:46	#39
crazyegg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 122	Hi All, Due to cost issues, I have decided to use an old 160 Gb 2.5 IDE drive as the main SCSI drive. ;-(... I was hoping to go completely CF for all the hard drives when I first started this project. Now, my Flyer SCSI chain stands as: A: Seagate 160 Gb 2.5 HD B: Sandisk Extreme III 2 Gb CF C: Kingston Elite 133x 8 Gb CF For those who are interested, I had to use a 40 pin to 44 pin IDE converter in order to connect the 160 Gb HD to the SCSI-IDE bridge. However, the converter which I originally used only had 2 power wires (5V and Ground). I could not get this drive working... Only after getting a new converter with 4 power wires did it finally get working. I thought that 2.5 HDs only drew power from the 5V line? Anyways, everything is up and running finally in a self contained A4000!!! The HD is actually not that noisey as that was my initial concern. The fan from the PSU of the A4000 is drowning it out ;-) Let the cheesy wipes and effects begin! Regards....ed

23 November 2009, 23:08	#40
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,389	@crazyegg Wow you have made great progress, thanx for being the first one to publicly get this to work. Why not buy this card and use it to boot the A4000 off a flashdrive? http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=795 If you have cost issues maybe you can do that later? Then you will be 100% CF!

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