LC and EC 68060 to Amiga OK, or not? - Page 2

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 20:07

The 71E41J is the rarest 68060. How may a seller (stachu100) possess 30+ pieces of rare CPU? He 2010-2018 min. 4 cards/year upgraded to 1260, 4×8=32. I found a real 71E41J nowhere. In China all fake.
The normal not fake XC68060RC50 01G65V 75-100 €, 71E41J 110-120 € better.

plasmab · 13 October 2018, 20:13

@amiga2000 i sent you a PM with some info.

esel · 13 October 2018, 20:32

i really want to know where stachu100 gets the cpus, but i am sure he wont tell me.

esel · 13 October 2018, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

I found 68060s in Europe. From where did they obtain the 68060s? These may be false.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Motorola-680...pid=6010262838
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Motorola-680...5/253921783891

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=58652

both cpus are real but 99 Euro for a rev 1 is crazy.
i have 2 full rev 1 cpus ( marked as EC ) and i only want 50 Eu per cpu.

plasmab · 13 October 2018, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by esel

both cpus are real but 99 Euro for a rev 1 is crazy.
i have 2 full rev 1 cpus ( marked as EC ) and i only want 50 Eu per cpu.

https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/atari/last/storenew/

Those masks dont sell for less than 100€

esel · 13 October 2018, 21:01

Like i Said i will sell my rev 1 for only 50 Euro ! Better then 99 as on eBay...

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by esel

Like i Said i will sell my rev 1 for only 50 Euro ! Better then 99 as on eBay...

This OK, but whole Apollo 1240 to 1260 upgrade with min. rev. 5 full 68060 max. price = 50 € possible.
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=94627

I do not want to pay the brutal high prices. In 2008 prices on ebay.de:
Blizzard 1260 250-300 €, Blizzard 1240 040 200 €, B1230 Mk IV 80-100 €, SCSI kit IV 50-60 €, etc.
Now 200-850 €, brutal.
Now A1240-1260 upgrade price (220 € stachu100) = in 2008 whole Blizzard 1240 040/40 card price!
I bought in Hungary (2008) B1260 060/50 card = 55000 HUF = 220 €! 1 € was 250 HUF, now 325+.

plasmab · 13 October 2018, 22:01

Retro prices have doubled since 2012. Prices for CD32s have quadrupled since 2016 (and thats my fault according to @Daedalus)

nexus · 13 October 2018, 22:09

supply and demand simple as that
very little supply with a very high demand
unless you wait patiently for a great deal you may just have to bite the bullet
everything in retro stuff is demanding $$$ not just amiga

plasmab · 13 October 2018, 23:18

I paid close to £700 for my Apollo 1260 in 2016. I wouldnt sell it for less than £1000.

I think the price being asked for the upgrade is about right. Having said that i'd help recreate the kits but i cant see them costing less than £150 because the CPUs are £100.

Sure you could probably buy CPUs for less than £100 ... but you'd have to buy 50 of them to get it at the price you think it should. Retro is very very expensive now.

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Retro prices have doubled since 2012. Prices for CD32s have quadrupled since 2016 (and thats my fault according to @Daedalus)

Nooo. Retro prices have 2-4× since 2008. Amiga 1200 was 50 €, now 200 €. In Hungary was 20000 HUF, now 80000. Etc..

plasmab · 13 October 2018, 23:30

No. Now a A1200 is €350+. Only a really badly beaten up one is €200

An A1200 Keyboard is €200

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

supply and demand simple as that
very little supply with a very high demand
unless you wait patiently for a great deal you may just have to bite the bullet
everything in retro stuff is demanding $$$ not just amiga

Very high demand why??? Everybody may have obtained the machines cheaply until 2008 his collection. There is not big demand now. The dealers = price up, up, up. On ebay 9/10 seller = dealer.

nexus · 13 October 2018, 23:33

what do you mean why same reason why you need 1
nothing is being made anymore tons of stuff has been recycled or thrown away etc etc etc
so high demand low supply
just think how many were scraped for gold
why you pay $50+ for a old pentium pro

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

I paid close to £700 for my Apollo 1260 in 2016. I wouldnt sell it for less than £1000.

I think the price being asked for the upgrade is about right. Having said that i'd help recreate the kits but i cant see them costing less than £150 because the CPUs are £100.

Sure you could probably buy CPUs for less than £100 ... but you'd have to buy 50 of them to get it at the price you think it should. Retro is very very expensive now.

1000 GBP = 1140 € sell impossible. Stachu100 sold 10+ upgraded Apollo 1260 for 650 € on amibay, Blizzard 1260 for 840 €.
650 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...AM-for-desktop
655 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...AM-for-desktop
650 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...op-accessories
840 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...5MHz-128MB-RAM
620 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...AM-for-desktop
870 € http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php...0MHz-128MB-RAM
1000+ € = Blizzard PPC 060 66 MHz + 330 MHz.

Working Amiga 1200 200 € in ebay.de.

nexus · 13 October 2018, 23:39

to get the best stuff which itself is rare for any platform you are gonna pay a premium
and anyone like said above who pays that price sure aint gonna sell to break even
so the price goes up each time stuff trades hands
i watched CSPPC over the last year+ go from $1000 to over $2000 thats a very short time
and now most see phake5 is a scam so they went up even higher
what happens when most stuff can only be bought by auctions bid wars of those who just have to have make things worse for the next guy
cause next sell is 90% gonna start off where that sold
at this rate a CSPPC could be $5k in 2 years
we are past its old cheap obsolete era and now into expensive classic vintage era
have you ever watch the history channel show american pickers?
that will be us in our 60's but looking for electronics/computers etc instead lol
plowing through some old warehouse/garage/barn whatever trying to find a score

amiga2000 · 13 October 2018, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

to get the best stuff which itself is rare for any platform you are gonna pay a premium
and anyone like said above who pays that price sure aint gonna sell to break even
so the price goes up each time stuff trades hands
i watched CSPPC over the last year+ go from $1000 to over $2000 thats a very short time
and now most see phake5 is a scam so they went up even higher
what happens when most stuff can only be bought by actions bid wars of those who just have to have make things worse for the next guy

I would do the A1240 to 1260 upgrade for 150 €, if I would be able to sell the A1260 for 1000 €. This impossible. In Hungary Blizzard 1260 max. 210000 HUF = 650 €. Apollo 1260 price = max. 150-170000 HUF = 460-525 €.
The buyer will not buy a Apollo 1260, if has 500 € money, he buy Blizzard 1260 for 650 €.

plasmab · 14 October 2018, 01:05

Demand is high because millennials want them now. Retro is a big thing.

Also not everyone who wanted one had one in 2008. In 2008 owned precisely no Amigas. Not one. I had owned Amigas before (A500, A600, A1200) but I had to get rid of them in my 20s because I had nowhere to store them and I needed the money. Then I had no money then eventually I found I have space and time for retro i start collecting again.

There isnt enough machines available for me so i'll pay extra for the ones I want.

plasmab · 14 October 2018, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

1000 GBP = 1140 € sell impossible.

In that case I wouldnt sell it. Eventually someone will buy it or i'll keep it.

amiga2000 · 14 October 2018, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Demand is high because millennials want them now. Retro is a big thing.

Also not everyone who wanted one had one in 2008. In 2008 owned precisely no Amigas. Not one. I had owned Amigas before (A500, A600, A1200) but I had to get rid of them in my 20s because I had nowhere to store them and I needed the money. Then I had no money then eventually I found I have space and time for retro i start collecting again.

There isnt enough machines available for me so i'll pay extra for the ones I want.

Now 40-45 years old already, who were children in 1985-1992. Everybody may have bought everything until 2008, which he wanted. Why they want to shop after 2008?

The prices may not rise to the infinity. 1260 cards 650, 850, 1000, 1200 €, etc.. Impossible.
The prices should have decreased in 2008-2010 already. Who used the Amiga machines (in 1985-1995) will be too old in 2028-2030. The old machines will not interest the next generation. The prices will decrease.

13 October 2018, 22:09	#29
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	supply and demand simple as that very little supply with a very high demand unless you wait patiently for a great deal you may just have to bite the bullet everything in retro stuff is demanding $$$ not just amiga Last edited by nexus; 13 October 2018 at 22:16.

13 October 2018, 23:39	#36
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	to get the best stuff which itself is rare for any platform you are gonna pay a premium and anyone like said above who pays that price sure aint gonna sell to break even so the price goes up each time stuff trades hands i watched CSPPC over the last year+ go from $1000 to over $2000 thats a very short time and now most see phake5 is a scam so they went up even higher what happens when most stuff can only be bought by auctions bid wars of those who just have to have make things worse for the next guy cause next sell is 90% gonna start off where that sold at this rate a CSPPC could be $5k in 2 years we are past its old cheap obsolete era and now into expensive classic vintage era have you ever watch the history channel show american pickers? that will be us in our 60's but looking for electronics/computers etc instead lol plowing through some old warehouse/garage/barn whatever trying to find a score Last edited by nexus; 13 October 2018 at 23:48.

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13 October 2018, 20:07	#21
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	The 71E41J is the rarest 68060. How may a seller (stachu100) possess 30+ pieces of rare CPU? He 2010-2018 min. 4 cards/year upgraded to 1260, 4×8=32. I found a real 71E41J nowhere. In China all fake. The normal not fake XC68060RC50 01G65V 75-100 €, 71E41J 110-120 € better.

13 October 2018, 20:13	#22
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	@amiga2000 i sent you a PM with some info.

13 October 2018, 20:32	#23
esel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kassel Posts: 160	i really want to know where stachu100 gets the cpus, but i am sure he wont tell me.

13 October 2018, 21:01	#26
esel Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Kassel Posts: 160	Like i Said i will sell my rev 1 for only 50 Euro ! Better then 99 as on eBay...

13 October 2018, 22:01	#28
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Retro prices have doubled since 2012. Prices for CD32s have quadrupled since 2016 (and thats my fault according to @Daedalus)

13 October 2018, 23:18	#30
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	I paid close to £700 for my Apollo 1260 in 2016. I wouldnt sell it for less than £1000. I think the price being asked for the upgrade is about right. Having said that i'd help recreate the kits but i cant see them costing less than £150 because the CPUs are £100. Sure you could probably buy CPUs for less than £100 ... but you'd have to buy 50 of them to get it at the price you think it should. Retro is very very expensive now.

13 October 2018, 23:30	#32
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	No. Now a A1200 is €350+. Only a really badly beaten up one is €200 An A1200 Keyboard is €200

13 October 2018, 23:33	#34
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	what do you mean why same reason why you need 1 nothing is being made anymore tons of stuff has been recycled or thrown away etc etc etc so high demand low supply just think how many were scraped for gold why you pay $50+ for a old pentium pro

14 October 2018, 01:05	#38
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Demand is high because millennials want them now. Retro is a big thing. Also not everyone who wanted one had one in 2008. In 2008 owned precisely no Amigas. Not one. I had owned Amigas before (A500, A600, A1200) but I had to get rid of them in my 20s because I had nowhere to store them and I needed the money. Then I had no money then eventually I found I have space and time for retro i start collecting again. There isnt enough machines available for me so i'll pay extra for the ones I want.

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