12 September 2010, 06:29 | #21 |
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awesome news!..Jens you the man..though I'll still be keeping my Blizzard MKIII030@50
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Good news Would be even nicer if there was an A500 option available
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12 September 2010, 19:46 | #23 |
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I'm not getting too exited as it was also announced years ago and never materialized, although I will buy one for sure if released.
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Maybe it's because I remember the difference that the Math Coprocessor had on DOOM performance on the very early PCs, but I would have thought that it could make a difference in the FPS games??? So, is there really no loss with this accelerator without an FPU? Is it just that the games don't use it or would the design of this card suffer from having an FPU? Just wondering.. Is an Amiga FPU basically pointless? desiv |
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Yes, but that's Quake, not Doom. Anyway, there are a few threads about the actual use a FPU has here.
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It was really more of a question about this card's design around fast memory, and is it right that it would be much more important than use of an FPU..
That, and to slip the really bad joke in there... ;-) But never mind... desiv |
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Although it's floating-point-less (if that's the "bad joke" you wanted to throw - pardon the question from a German), I don't know of any useful software that requires an FPU these days. If you want to render something with an Amiga, you either go '060 or emulation, but not '030.
I created these cards because I was amazed about the prices that A1200 memory expansions go for on eBay. The goal was to make an accelerator at the price of a memory expansion. Now that 72-pin SIMM sockets are more expensive than SD-Ram memory chips (and hardly available RoHS-compliant), a new logic design was required. I have access to brand new Winbond 200MHz SD-Rams (AFAIK, I'm the first in Europe who has them in quantities), and I wanted to play with them. To take advantage of 3.3V rams in a 5V system, you need 5V-tolerant drivers between the voltage domains. The drivers I'm using have a guaranteed propagation delay for up to 50pF capacitive load. If I add the pin capacity of the translators, the data bus drivers and the CPU to the trace capacity of the board, I end up barely below 50pF, so the 2-cycle access that I use here is within spec. If an FPU would be on the data bus as well, I'd have to add another waitstate to the memory timing, which would add up to 4 waitstates for a cache line burst, which is currently 2-1-1-1. Although my target was never "high performance", the 28MHz-A1200 version (which is the only functional model at the moment) is probably the fastest non-static mem 28-MHz-68030 ever made for the Amiga. Jens |
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OK, I have no idea what you just said, but I assume it means you have a great design that allows you to use less expensive parts and make a SUPER FAST card! I'm not much of a FPS person, but that seems to be the gauge a lot of people use.. I wonder how your 28Mhz card will run AB3D or Gloom or ??? Personally, I'm more interesting in seeing how well it will run a web browser. I'm not expecting to watch youtube or play flash games with it, but there's still plenty of older websites out there that should make it fun.. And I have no idea what I would do with that much RAM on a 1200, but I'm looking forward to finding out.. Thanx, desiv |
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I'm curious of how many cards will be made, and where the 030's come from. Are they new or sourced?
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030 in the year of god 2010 ? No way tank's ... For a 50 Euro i'm buy a Apollo 030 Overclok at 45 hz end 8 mb on board. Are in the year of LORD (a Black Sabbath fan cit.) 2002. My friend , winuae is much better for this(end not espansive i'm imho). Ah look on the internet a Duke Nukem Forever are REALITY... but is a reason to wait the project NATAMI |
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Wow this is great news, I know what I am asking for xmas this year! New expansion boards for my A1200 whoo hoo!
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I have a TRA1200 turboboard 020/28mhz and I can affirm that AB3D and Gloom runs very smooth on that Turboboard anyways dont dream to play Quake or AB3D II because they are unplayable even on the 040 or 060...leave that work for winuae |
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13 September 2010, 09:05 | #40 |
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Dexther: do you think we all should throw our Amigas to trash and switch to WinUAE? I think not. And to keep our hardware fresh, we need accelerators. There are thousands Amiga users and tens thousands working amigas, but only hundreds working accelerators.
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