asm tuts - Page 2

BippyM · 10 January 2006, 12:17

I've asked RCK for a sub section within coders heaven for the tutorials

StingRay · 10 January 2006, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by x_to

this are the basics of assembler and remember that assembler is not a language to start with learning programming...

Why not? If you start with learning assembler you will be able to learn other languages like C/C++ very easily later. At least that is my experience.

680x0 asm was the first thing I was able to code in (all self taught back in 1990

) and nowadays I'm doing C/C++ programming for a living.

Well, I am still doing the 680x0 hacking as well.

For some basic tutorials (demo scene related) check out http://ada.planet-d.net/forum/index....vtopic&forum=4

snarkhunter · 10 January 2006, 17:34

Hello,

I've attached a file (a ".pdf" file within a ".zip" archive) which is easily found on the internet : it lists the standard instruction set for the MC 68000 chip. Of course, this won't teach anyone how to actually program using 68000 assembly code, but I do believe it's still a "must have" document.

Kind regards,
SH

BippyM · 10 January 2006, 17:55

yes I have included this in this thread: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21516

Any resources and stuff please post it in there guys

alexh · 10 January 2006, 18:26

Always handy Amiga OCS/ECS Hardware Reference Manual

redblade · 11 January 2006, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOB

Shouldn´t a tut start at the beginning?

Maybe some words about:

Bits, bytes, words, Memory, Number Systems, Registers,
Addressing modes,the development Assemblers,Hardware
Registers, Custom Chips, the 68000 processor.......

or is this to theoretical?

Yep the Coolg tutorial on aminet has all this.

The first txt file is about 68k commands and what they do, the difference in accessing address's.

e.g. (a0),a0,(a0)+.

The second txt file is about the amiga custom chips and how to use them.

The third txt file is a basic run down on amiga libraries and how to use them with some example code.

It also comes with 10 cool-g basic tutorials.

The Asm-One Example files (how to code a basic BB, Scroll Text)

Also with AsmOne.

Although you have to modify the code for Kick2+ ECS/AGA

NOB · 11 January 2006, 18:39

Yes, the coolg tut is a useful asm tut.

BippyM · 11 January 2006, 18:54

Okay guys.. so it looks like this will be a good idea.. so

Where do we start? what do you lot want to know and want to learn..

It is easy to say "start at the beginning" but where is the beginning?

What do YOU want to learn exactly?

Joe Maroni · 11 January 2006, 19:07

how to write whdload installs...

BippyM · 11 January 2006, 19:09

a bit too ambitious to start I think :P

Doc Mindie · 11 January 2006, 21:12

Let's start with something easy......

A trainer for Windows? :look

No, sorry...... forgot the amount of useless code in that one :P

Uhm...a simple game..... uhm...... what about a trainer for DeLuxe Galaga?

11 January 2006, 21:25

How about a trainer for Rick Dangerous II, quite a few options to train & fairly easy to access.

BippyM · 11 January 2006, 21:56

Darkman I think the ball is in your court

are you willing to do this tutorial?

If so I'd appreciate it if you could do it in a different way to how it's done in flashtro.. Go into more detail about how you find the results/addresses etc.. how you search and trace code back etc..

Also set tasks for others to do, and then you can correct them or praise them

What d'ya think?

Joe Maroni · 11 January 2006, 21:57

stupid question, but i can´t find "coolg" at aminet....

Codetapper · 11 January 2006, 23:31

Yes, RedBlade has a habit of posting without vital information such as a filename, a link etc...

If anyone has the 4 EX4 coders disks (mostly by Cool-G), they have quite a few bits and pieces on them that might be useful.

Just to clarify, creating a WHDLoad slave is often a lot easier than learning 68k assembler properly. You can actually get quite a few games working with minimal knowledge of assembler, especially if you hack simple Rob Northen copylock games. And it teaches you assembler in a more useful manner.

http://www.flashtro.com has several tutorials for cracking and training games, many of dubious quality but a few are pretty good. Worth a look for newbies!

BippyM · 12 January 2006, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

http://www.flashtro.com has several tutorials for cracking and training games, many of dubious quality but a few are pretty good. Worth a look for newbies!

That for me is the problem!

The site say do this, do that el presto cracked... I want to see more stuff explaining how a routine works, what it does, what the operands are doing and what addressing modes are used. Show registers and how they are changing etc..

Baically show you HOW to crack/program. What to look for and not just do this, do that etc..

Codetapper · 12 January 2006, 04:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

That for me is the problem!

The site say do this, do that el presto cracked... I want to see more stuff explaining how a routine works, what it does, what the operands are doing and what addressing modes are used. Show registers and how they are changing etc..

I agree with you, almost all of Rob's tutorials on that site are load this, click this button, type that, type this, run that, do this, restart the game, cracked. Pointless for people that already know how to crack, and useless for beginners that don't know why he has done any of it.

Quote:

Baically show you HOW to crack/program. What to look for and not just do this, do that etc..

What do you think of this one? How easy/hard to understand etc?

http://whdloadrules.tripod.com/hdinstalling.html

I got sod all feedback so haven't really bothered writing tutorials since.

BippyM · 12 January 2006, 08:33

Personally I found some of it difficult to understand..

I think it is just my limited understanding of all things amiga hardware and accessing it..

I'll have a proper mull thru it later when I get home from work

Oh i did read it before, and tried to understand it.. Maybe i'll have a better chance now that I understand asm a little more

Codetapper · 12 January 2006, 10:45

Alas I can't make it any easier than it already is - you have to have some knowledge to follow it. You have to invest the time yourself learning ASM and writing useless little routines that do sod-all and stepping through them with a debugger etc...

BippyM · 12 January 2006, 18:03

I know

I'll be doing this over the next few days hopefully.. Expect a barage of questions

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12 January 2006, 08:33	#38
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Personally I found some of it difficult to understand.. I think it is just my limited understanding of all things amiga hardware and accessing it.. I'll have a proper mull thru it later when I get home from work Oh i did read it before, and tried to understand it.. Maybe i'll have a better chance now that I understand asm a little more Last edited by BippyM; 12 January 2006 at 09:15.

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10 January 2006, 12:17	#21
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I've asked RCK for a sub section within coders heaven for the tutorials

10 January 2006, 17:55	#24
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	yes I have included this in this thread: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21516 Any resources and stuff please post it in there guys

10 January 2006, 18:26	#25
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,540	Always handy Amiga OCS/ECS Hardware Reference Manual

11 January 2006, 18:39	#27
NOB Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 424	Yes, the coolg tut is a useful asm tut.

11 January 2006, 18:54	#28
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Okay guys.. so it looks like this will be a good idea.. so Where do we start? what do you lot want to know and want to learn.. It is easy to say "start at the beginning" but where is the beginning? What do YOU want to learn exactly?

11 January 2006, 19:07	#29
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	how to write whdload installs...

11 January 2006, 19:09	#30
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	a bit too ambitious to start I think :P

11 January 2006, 21:12	#31
Doc Mindie In deep Trouble Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manchester, Made in Norway Age: 52 Posts: 841	Let's start with something easy...... A trainer for Windows? :look No, sorry...... forgot the amount of useless code in that one :P Uhm...a simple game..... uhm...... what about a trainer for DeLuxe Galaga?

11 January 2006, 21:25	#32
Darkman Posts: n/a	How about a trainer for Rick Dangerous II, quite a few options to train & fairly easy to access.

11 January 2006, 21:56	#33
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Darkman I think the ball is in your court are you willing to do this tutorial? If so I'd appreciate it if you could do it in a different way to how it's done in flashtro.. Go into more detail about how you find the results/addresses etc.. how you search and trace code back etc.. Also set tasks for others to do, and then you can correct them or praise them What d'ya think?

11 January 2006, 21:57	#34
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	stupid question, but i can´t find "coolg" at aminet....

11 January 2006, 23:31	#35
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	Yes, RedBlade has a habit of posting without vital information such as a filename, a link etc... If anyone has the 4 EX4 coders disks (mostly by Cool-G), they have quite a few bits and pieces on them that might be useful. Just to clarify, creating a WHDLoad slave is often a lot easier than learning 68k assembler properly. You can actually get quite a few games working with minimal knowledge of assembler, especially if you hack simple Rob Northen copylock games. And it teaches you assembler in a more useful manner. http://www.flashtro.com has several tutorials for cracking and training games, many of dubious quality but a few are pretty good. Worth a look for newbies!

12 January 2006, 10:45	#39
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	Alas I can't make it any easier than it already is - you have to have some knowledge to follow it. You have to invest the time yourself learning ASM and writing useless little routines that do sod-all and stepping through them with a debugger etc...

12 January 2006, 18:03	#40
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I know I'll be doing this over the next few days hopefully.. Expect a barage of questions

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