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the solution still looks like an Amiga OS 3/4 themed window manager for linux, it simply gives all the positives ofa modern OS with no negatives. Only other thing would be a sort of WINE like compatibility/translation layer for amiga programs so emulation wouldnt be required, i think there is something like that which was mentioned here a few times but i forget the name of.
https://github.com/cnvogelg/amitools/tree/master maybe? not sure. |
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I mean how often have you crashed Amiga OS and thought Oh darn if only I had memory protection?
But yeah if I had to choose an OS I would probably go with Android. I mean my phone has never ever had a problem. |
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My point is, we should take that approach and re-imagine an OS in that spirit on today's hardware. |
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wasnt that a totally safe chinese OS named after an old linux virus? |
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No idea. It is open source though, so you could always check for yourself if is safe to use.
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The runtime allows developers to continue developing Amiga applications in unmodified way while at the same time being able to utilize modern development tools available on Linux or Windows like IDEs, debuggers, profilers, etc. I think this is a close to WINE as one can get without resorting to full emulation. Last edited by Gorf; 27 July 2024 at 22:08. |
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Having said that, OS4 and MorphOS both have reasonable options given the obscurity of both platforms. MorphOS has a reasonably up-to-date browser. OS4's browser is a good bit older, but still light-years ahead of anything on OS3, at least supporting CSS and reasonable Javascript. And OS4 has a port of AbiWord, which is a reasonably modern word processor - again, well behind mainstream solutions but head and shoulders above any OS3 software. |
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AROS would be in a MUCH better place if there was more than two full time developers on it (kudos to Deadwood and Kalamatee) - actually to be in the place it is now is already almost a miracle!
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AROS 64-bit has three out of four of those features, beside the memory protection; but i remember Michal was thinking at some remedies there...
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I used it for a few years, it was always a pleasure to use after using Windows. I moved to the Mac after that, it became a lot more interesting once they moved to a Unix base. There is the Apple tax to pay, but every time I use Windows I'm reminded why I pay it. I've not tried Haiku for quite a while, but it was snappy on an Intel Atom over ten years ago, so it should go like a rocket on modern hardware. |
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Thank you. I was kind of waiting for someone to raise that question.
It is an important question. What does it actually mean? When can we call a system 'Amiga-like'. What are the specific traits besides window decorations and icons? And how would that translate into a modern system? I have a pretty good picture of that in my mind, but at this point I am more interested in what others think. So what is the Amiga-essence for all of you? |
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The Amiga essence for me has always been the feeling that I have the computer's full attention.
You click, the computer gives immediate visual feedback (even if the actual action taken in response to the click takes some time). You right-click, the menu is rendered as rapidly as chip RAM bandwidth will allow - no random half-a-second of disk activity followed by a grudging and jerky rendering. If one program's busy you can flip to another one without fear of triggering a swap-storm and locking up the user-interface for a couple of minutes. I don't know how much of that would survive the addition of virtual memory - probably none of it if "modern" software was ported across from other platforms. Which is the crux of the issue - it's not just the OS that would need to be Amiga-like, but also the software running under it. I think it would need an almost monastic discipline from developers to resist the patterns of bloat that are normal on other platforms and retain the minimalist approach. The system-resource equivalent of a vow of poverty! |
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There already is an AmigaOS that runs on older PC hardware, it's called Amithlon.
https://amithlon.snkbitten.com/ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...0ZIXogjp8Hf7f7 |
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Nowadays emulation with some uae is faster and more compatible, rendering Amithlon a nice curiosity. For me it has the same downside than Aros: Aros is mimicking Workbench 3.1 with some additions and Amithlon is 3.9. I can have that near perfect in emulation. So what's the point? At minimum it should be OS4, to give me a reason not to just use uae. OS4 emulation can be done, but my experice with that is..., well just give me a native version. Pi4/5 would be enough. I don't see it on x86 hardware, that would be overkill. |
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Wonder if AI will ever be in a position to replace human coders and we can just type "AI code Amiga 68k browser" or make Firefox work with Amiga 1200s ??
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