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And the same can be said about P96 - that is why this "driver" was made in the first place, all it does is load rtg.library and set some "too technical" env variables, this was already possible since a long time. I understand that there is a certain desire to replace FBlit etc with something "system friendly", but that will never happen without "Native" support in P96 doing similar compromises as FBlit does, when it comes to compatibility, "system friendliness" vs speed and memory foot print.
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Which "compromises" do you actually talk about? P96 implements the full API to work with bitmaps and bobs.
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One of the reasons why the rtg.library is as large as it is is that there are plenty of functions that handle all minterms, that is, many possible options it has to support to give a complete blitter emulation. We noticed during 3.1.4 testing that popular "graphics emulations" typically do not implement all these combinations correctly or completely, giving rise to graphic glitches or even memory trashing. |
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Which graphics system people use I do not care, but I do care receiving bogus bug reports that stem from using incomplete or inappropriate software. FBlit is such a source of bogus bug reports - certainly not the only one. If there is a simple way to provide users an alternative that has been proven more robust and better tested, and it is simple to provide such an alternative, then why not. Unlike what you seem to imply, I do not earn any money from P96. |
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Well, but without options what about things like blits between chipram bitmaps and chipram bitmaps (you may still have those as fast ram may become full and bitmaps end up in chip ram once again, or if bitmaps are allocated by hand and not AllocBitMap()). On slow machines this blits may be faster with original blitter routines. On faster machines they may be faster with cpu blit routines. And what about apps which maybe don't like fastram bitmaps at all (but are still coded legally: -> OwnBlitter(); ...; DisownBlitter()). Deluxe Paint?). With an option you may be able to disable fast ram bitmaps only for apps like these but still have them enabled for pretty much everything else. |
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Then, why is this such a nasty program if it is all "open source", and why don't you just get along and help improving it, if it is open source?
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There are no new screen modes - this is all handled by graphics. So for that, one would need to write a new monitor driver. Admittedly, this is another black art (I attempted to document this a bit, see aminet), but nothing stops you. All this would do is just replicate code in P96 that is present in Graphics, so there is nothing to loose or to gain. P96 received bug fixes that "piled up" on my side over the years, so I could have either thrown them away or just integrate them. |
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Indeed, why don't you, since you have full overview of everything that is wrong with it. |
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Give it a rest kolla; it's getting really boring now...
All I see you do is tell people what software / projects you believe should be open source (and then constantly keeping banging on about); not to mention what they should / shouldn't work on while doing sweet FA yourself ![]() Thomas is contributing to software / projects free of charge, for the community, plus trying to support as best as he can. Hats off to this man ![]() |
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Really, if that is what you see, then your eyesight needs adjusting. What I am banging on about here is that P96 will not substitute FBlit, and that ThoR, as the great open source contributer that he is, can either stop his repeating rants about how crap FBlit is, or fix it. |
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Not in this single thread, but it is same in every thread. You are not constructive, you are destructive. Somebody could say that you just mean and maybe you just like it. Considering what you write, I really would like to know what you have done? You are such a expert on every thread here, so surely you have done a lot?
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Hmm - If you read all the posts here carefully it becomes rather obvious:
Some people like me are using FBlit happily without feeling the need to fix something as it works as expected. Others like Thomas don't. Thomas claims to know exactly what is wrong with FBlit - it seems he has analyzed it very sorely and even found out where the problems lay that cause "bogus bug reports" and what specific minterms are missing ... I honestly would not know where to start here, so it seems a litte bit unfair to hear Thomas saying "why don't you fix it yourself" ... while he claims to not only know the problems but the solutions as well. But instead of a contribution to some open source software, we got now a new commercial release of P96, because ... well "bug fixes that piled up" on Thomas side, which means it had bugs as well ... Again like in OS3.1.4 we have a good samaritan developer, that gives away his time, expertise and work without compensation, so that a company can charge for an update and keep all money .... sorry that is all just beyond me. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by Gorf; 30 January 2019 at 00:31. |
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I really wish the boards would also block quoted text from an ignored troll...erm...user. :-/
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@kolla, Gorf:
Surely someone is allowed to have an opinion on the quality of a program without being required to fix every bug in it? I am reminded how the AROS zealots ignore any criticism and expect the users to fix all the bugs for them, just because it is open source. Last edited by Minuous; 30 January 2019 at 06:43. |
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It was clear all along. Just as it is clear that "most users" will continue to use FBlit, since that is what offers the best compromise when it comes to saving precious chip ram, speed and stability. If P96 was so good at this, it would have replaced FBlit 20 years ago, but it didn't. If P96 is to replace FBlit, it would most likely also need various "nasty" options.
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