Analogic's CD32 disk drive expander unit mini review. - Page 2

30 November 2007, 21:08

@Zetr0

Thanks for the speedy reply! Just contemplating the pros and cons of grabbing a CD32 with one of these or an A1200.

I haven't had an Amiga for about 12 years now and am suffering withdrawal symptoms. As great as it would be to get hold of an OS 4 capable system I don't think it'll be in my budget for a while.

All the best

Phil

alexh · 30 November 2007, 21:34

I'd like to know what the unknown port is for?

I bet £50 that it was supposed to be a VGA port.

This port is a 15-pin D-SUB and VGA is a HIGH DENSITY 15-pin D-SUB. An easy mistake to make.

If I am correct, then the schematics were probably right and all the VGA signals will be on the same pin numbers and with the right adapter cable it could be easily wired to a 15KHz compatible monitor or RGB SCART.

Cable could be made for under £10.

Maplin

Code:

15-Way D-Sub Plug,  BK58N, £1.29
15 Way D-Sub Hood, FP28F, £1.29
Phono Plug Red,        FJ88V, £0.79
Phono Plug White,    L75AW, £0.79
SCART Line Plug,       FJ41U, £1.29

Add some wire and solder time and you're done.

I would buzz out the port with a multi-meter first to be absolutely sure it is VGA. If you have a scope even better.

alexh · 01 December 2007, 03:22

Damn, no one bet.

Anyhow it is confirmed, it is an RGB socket and I am sure it WAS supposed to be a high-density 15-pin D-sub (VGA).

Analogic will sell you the cable with the unit for an extra £15 on top. Or you can make your own

What is more fascinating is that these were designed and built by the same guy who created the BoXer and the Access, Mick Tinker for the Wall Street Institute and hence the name CD32fWSI.

http://www.cd32-allianz.de/cd32tuning/wallstreet?

alexh · 01 December 2007, 03:42

Made in 1995 wow, this must have been one of his first designs.

http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum...lid=698&cid=13

BippyM · 01 December 2007, 14:24

Jope has cleaned most of this thread, I have just finished off.

@Sine DO NOT post in this thread unless it is about the CD32 add-on. I have sent you a pm, please read it.

Calgor · 01 December 2007, 17:39

@alexh

Is a DB15 to HD15 adapter such as this suitable for using a VGA monitor (i.e. is it straight through)?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...0164&CatId=467

Seems to be the DB15 connector plug type was used for Mac monitors.

cane · 03 December 2007, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@kolla
imma working on the memory

Facny to share some more details or it's still in too-early-to-say-anything stage

Zetr0 · 03 December 2007, 10:17

@cane

i can share what i have so far.....

LOTS AND LOTS of reading

but as a point of note, all one would have to do is argue (tie / generate signals) to Expansion Bus BR / BG and you could use an interface to use A1200 upgrade cards. (i will look into this more...)

this being said there maybe timing issues. but research would define if this is a problem.

kolla · 03 December 2007, 14:48

Btw, anyone else tried hooking the CD32 up to a modern "flat" TV?

I hooked one of mine up a Sony Bravia using the S-video, and it handles even the super highres interlaced with overscan workbench (1364x572 iirc) flickerfree :-)

alexh · 03 December 2007, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

but as a point of note, all one would have to do is argue (tie / generate signals) to Expansion Bus BR / BG and you could use an interface to use A1200 upgrade cards. (i will look into this more...)

I did this first, a passive "wiring" from one connector to another.

However there is one (two?) signals missing from the CD32 expansion connector which are on the A1200 trap door connector which may limit what accelerators it can take. (I couldnt work out what they were for anyhow!)

Worked fine with Amitek: Hawk 8Mbyte RAM expansion.

Made with with veroboard and stuck out the back of the CD32 about 4-6 inches.

It was impractical so I made my own simple CD32 RAM board which connected to the CD32 at right angles to the edge connector. FYI it was still impossible to put the back cover on, but it was indistinguishable from any other CD32 from the front.

The MOQ (Minimum order quantity, 1000@£1.06) of the CD32 edge connectors prevented me making more than 4 (which was the number of samples I was able to blag from the supplier).

If there was physically enough room inside the CD32 it might be possible to use A1200 cards with the CD32fWSI. (Assuming the RTC connector is fully wired)

I doubt very much there is though. Anyone confirm / deny?

Zetr0 · 03 December 2007, 15:37

I will check it out in a few moment alexh

I have an apollo040 here and cd32 plastics floating in the office somewhere... brb

Paul_s · 07 December 2007, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolla

Btw, anyone else tried hooking the CD32 up to a modern "flat" TV?

I hooked one of mine up a Sony Bravia using the S-video, and it handles even the super highres interlaced with overscan workbench (1364x572 iirc) flickerfree :-)

I tried mine on a small Bravia LCD (14") and it was horrible. Was nice on a 32" version though...

Philski... yes it loads older games okay - was having a play last night

Might have a gander for the video cable and see what it's like on my crt via scart

09 December 2007, 23:07

@ Paul_s Thanks for that I think you've just persuaded me to take the plunge!

All these other upgrade possibilities sounds intriguing too

nc88keyz · 19 January 2008, 19:17

any updates on this unique disk drive adapter. I would like one but cant get analogic to respond to any of my messages on ebay. I am in the North Carolina, USA coast though. Still a reponse would have suficed.

Any new exciting developments for this diamond.

Zetr0 · 19 January 2008, 19:35

I think Analogic closed down recenetly

DrF · 19 January 2008, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

I think Analogic closed down recenetly

We all thought that a few weeks ago, then they reappeared

At there prices I do wonder how they are still in buisness but still...

Zetr0 · 19 January 2008, 20:35

@DrF

you and me both my friend....

DrF · 19 January 2008, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@DrF

you and me both my friend....

I love you.

nc88keyz · 19 January 2008, 22:56

Quote:
Btw, anyone else tried hooking the CD32 up to a modern "flat" TV?

I hooked one of mine up a Sony Bravia using the S-video, and it handles even the super highres interlaced with overscan workbench (1364x572 iirc) flickerfree :-)

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Maybe my memory fails me , but is it possible to get resolutions like that from S-video.???

or is this a french version with the RGB pins on the svideo port as I read about a while back

Jope · 19 January 2008, 22:58

The French version has a SCART connector.. S-video is just s-video.

I view my Amigas on a flat panel via scart and vga all the time. The 1084s are gathering dust.. :-)

30 November 2007, 21:34	#22
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	I'd like to know what the unknown port is for? I bet £50 that it was supposed to be a VGA port. This port is a 15-pin D-SUB and VGA is a HIGH DENSITY 15-pin D-SUB. An easy mistake to make. If I am correct, then the schematics were probably right and all the VGA signals will be on the same pin numbers and with the right adapter cable it could be easily wired to a 15KHz compatible monitor or RGB SCART. Cable could be made for under £10. Maplin Code: 15-Way D-Sub Plug, BK58N, £1.29 15 Way D-Sub Hood, FP28F, £1.29 Phono Plug Red, FJ88V, £0.79 Phono Plug White, L75AW, £0.79 SCART Line Plug, FJ41U, £1.29 Add some wire and solder time and you're done. I would buzz out the port with a multi-meter first to be absolutely sure it is VGA. If you have a scope even better. Last edited by alexh; 30 November 2007 at 22:09.

01 December 2007, 03:22	#23
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	Damn, no one bet. Anyhow it is confirmed, it is an RGB socket and I am sure it WAS supposed to be a high-density 15-pin D-sub (VGA). Analogic will sell you the cable with the unit for an extra £15 on top. Or you can make your own What is more fascinating is that these were designed and built by the same guy who created the BoXer and the Access, Mick Tinker for the Wall Street Institute and hence the name CD32fWSI. http://www.cd32-allianz.de/cd32tuning/wallstreet? Last edited by alexh; 01 December 2007 at 03:48.

03 December 2007, 10:17	#28
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@cane i can share what i have so far..... LOTS AND LOTS of reading but as a point of note, all one would have to do is argue (tie / generate signals) to Expansion Bus BR / BG and you could use an interface to use A1200 upgrade cards. (i will look into this more...) this being said there maybe timing issues. but research would define if this is a problem. Last edited by Zetr0; 03 December 2007 at 10:26.

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30 November 2007, 21:08	#21
Philski Posts: n/a	@Zetr0 Thanks for the speedy reply! Just contemplating the pros and cons of grabbing a CD32 with one of these or an A1200. I haven't had an Amiga for about 12 years now and am suffering withdrawal symptoms. As great as it would be to get hold of an OS 4 capable system I don't think it'll be in my budget for a while. All the best Phil

01 December 2007, 03:42	#24
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,448	Made in 1995 wow, this must have been one of his first designs. http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum...lid=698&cid=13

01 December 2007, 14:24	#25
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Jope has cleaned most of this thread, I have just finished off. @Sine DO NOT post in this thread unless it is about the CD32 add-on. I have sent you a pm, please read it.

01 December 2007, 17:39	#26
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	@alexh Is a DB15 to HD15 adapter such as this suitable for using a VGA monitor (i.e. is it straight through)? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...0164&CatId=467 Seems to be the DB15 connector plug type was used for Mac monitors.

03 December 2007, 14:48	#29
kolla Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,893	Btw, anyone else tried hooking the CD32 up to a modern "flat" TV? I hooked one of mine up a Sony Bravia using the S-video, and it handles even the super highres interlaced with overscan workbench (1364x572 iirc) flickerfree :-)

03 December 2007, 15:37	#31
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	I will check it out in a few moment alexh I have an apollo040 here and cd32 plastics floating in the office somewhere... brb

09 December 2007, 23:07	#33
Philski Posts: n/a	@ Paul_s Thanks for that I think you've just persuaded me to take the plunge! All these other upgrade possibilities sounds intriguing too

19 January 2008, 19:17	#34
nc88keyz Coastal Amigan (USA) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Age: 49 Posts: 36	any updates on this unique disk drive adapter. I would like one but cant get analogic to respond to any of my messages on ebay. I am in the North Carolina, USA coast though. Still a reponse would have suficed. Any new exciting developments for this diamond.

19 January 2008, 19:35	#35
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	I think Analogic closed down recenetly

19 January 2008, 20:35	#37
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@DrF you and me both my friend....

19 January 2008, 22:56	#39
nc88keyz Coastal Amigan (USA) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Age: 49 Posts: 36	Quote: Btw, anyone else tried hooking the CD32 up to a modern "flat" TV? I hooked one of mine up a Sony Bravia using the S-video, and it handles even the super highres interlaced with overscan workbench (1364x572 iirc) flickerfree :-) ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Maybe my memory fails me , but is it possible to get resolutions like that from S-video.??? or is this a french version with the RGB pins on the svideo port as I read about a while back

19 January 2008, 22:58	#40
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,904	The French version has a SCART connector.. S-video is just s-video. I view my Amigas on a flat panel via scart and vga all the time. The 1084s are gathering dust.. :-)

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