icon.library 46.4 test versions - Page 173

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 13:22

oops - forgot the screenie:

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 13:26

Ah - ok, so both *can* work. I'll try your suggestions. Long thread - trying to grok all of it is a challenge, for me, anyway.

PeterK · 19 June 2020, 14:02

No, Eastern works with AfA as well as with my icon.library, but only with my versions 51.4.xxx. As long as icon_lib.exe is installed on AfA_OS Eastern will use icon_lib.exe for the thumbnails. You can distinguish that when you click onto a thumbnail: a whiter image comes from icon_lib.exe, a darker image from my icon.library.

Make sure that you have the picture.datatype 45.17 of OS 3.9 installed for best results (or 46.13 from OS 3.14 with a little lower scaling quality). Eastern should not dither TrueColor pictures on the thumbnail images, just scale them down, if everything is correctly installed.

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterK

No, Eastern works with AfA as well as with my icon.library, but only with my versions 51.4.xxx. As long as icon_lib.exe is installed on AfA_OS Eastern will use icon_lib.exe for the thumbnails. You can distinguish that when you click onto a thumbnail: a whiter image comes from icon_lib.exe, a darker image from my icon.library.

Make sure that you have the picture.datatype 45.17 of OS 3.9 installed for best results (or 46.13 from OS 3.14). Eastern should not dither TrueColor pictures on the thumbnail images, just scale them down, if everything is correctly installed.

Ok - most of this I get and more or less from thread's history. I'll keep reading until it's more clear. Eastern seems to be functioning correctly in terms of scale quality and (lack of) dithering. I can live with it.

I'm curious - you aren't using anti-aliased fonts on the Workbench or apps. Are you merely lacking the Truetype fonts to install and let AfA Prefs do its thing?

PeterK · 19 June 2020, 14:31

Don't use picture.datatype 46.13 if you also have 45.17 from OS 3.9, which gives better results.

I don't care about AfA, skins, themes, TTF and other eye candy, I do not even use TrueColor icons consequently on my system. I'm not a real user of my own icon.library, nor of AmigaOS in general, it's just some sort of pointless occupation to kill time in a useless world.

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterK

Don't use picture.datatype 46.13 if you also have 45.17 from OS 3.9, which gives better results.

I have 46.9 dating from '02. Hrmmm...

PeterK · 19 June 2020, 14:56

That's the AfA_OS_LIBS:picture_datatype.exe, which has a poor scaling quality. Just rename it to use the picture.datatype of the AmigaOS instead.

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterK

That's the AfA_OS_LIBS

icture_datatype.exe, which has a poor scaling quality. Just rename it to use the picture.datatype of the AmigaOS instead.

Rename the .exe library so it won't load - is that what you mean?

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 15:58

Nevermind - outstanding! That worked like the proverbial charm! The thumbnails look great except I need to play with Eastern's aspect ratio tooltype a bit.

AMIGASYSTEM · 19 June 2020, 16:13

@Peter
I use Picture.datatypes 45.1, your screenshot doesn't help I would need to watch your startup-sequence, maybe I have something blocking the operation.

@Weaselrama
Renaming picture_datatype.exe improves pictures a lot with Eastern on AfA OS, but it can give bad surprises on other graphics applications like for example the WBStartup bar, see screenshots.

Seeing the Icons with Dopus4 is important when you need to quickly look at the many icons for the choice in the various Disks or Directories.

Eastern is nice but if you have to examine folders with lots of images it slows down the system considerably.

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 16:27

I have no issues with AmiDock. Also, I don't have to run Eastern in the startup or user. I run it from the Bench, then I use the Workbench tool "make real icons" and it snapshots the picture to the .info file. When I reboot - and without running Eastern, they're just the thumbnails Eastern generated. No big affect on my RAM at all.

AMIGASYSTEM · 19 June 2020, 16:35

Yes that's good maybe the command "Eastern" in the Workbench Toolbar

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 16:37

Probably not but I only have to run Eastern when I add new photos or pictures now.

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 16:56

Well...not so fast. This works fine on .jpg/.jpeg files but on .png files, it doubles up - the .png and its associated .info are both saved and rendered as thumbnails. I gotta find a work around...

AMIGASYSTEM · 19 June 2020, 17:20

Stop the world, I want to get off

Solved, also found here my solution or trick as Peter calls it, now Dopus4 and Eastern work together on AfA OS and Icon.library by Peter.

Weaselrama I didn't understand well the PNG problem, net test video attached I used JPG and PNG images of various resolution and no problem detected

Eastern and Dopus4 have become friends

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cjG...ew?usp=sharing

Weaselrama · 19 June 2020, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Stop the world, I want to get off

It's not a problem if I simply run Eastern. The problem arose when I ran "make real icons" on the .png files. Not only did the .png file generate a thumbnail, but so did the .info file. I deleted the results and went back to just running Eastern and all is well.

AMIGASYSTEM · 19 June 2020, 17:55

If you on the miniature do:
- Menu Icon
- Information
- Save
An icon equal to the miniature of the same size as the Miniature will be created.

PeterK · 19 June 2020, 17:59

@Weaselrama
In case you want to create thumbnail preview icons permanently, you can use image2icon and i2iGUI as explained in my readme, and set the output format to OS4 TrueColor. That works great. Yes, Eastern needs a lot of time for real large images (some mega pixels) to scale them down, but I do not even have a digital camera or smartphone. I don't need these toys.

@Carlo
No idea where you got picture.datatype 45.1 from, I've never seen it. But congratulations, it seems that you have made it finally.

AMIGASYSTEM · 19 June 2020, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterK

No idea where you got picture.datatype 45.1 from, I've never seen it. But congratulations, it seems that you have made it finally.

No "colpa della vecchia" la mia tastiera non ha scritto il 7 (45.17).

The resolution was very simple, practically or run RemLib via script from WBStartup

The icon save from Workbench are perfect as the thumbnail, and very quick to create

PeterK · 19 June 2020, 18:24

In this case you can be glad that AfA saves the Eastern icons in TrueColor, because my icon.library would convert them into the OS 3.5 format, it has no zlib compression routine yet. But the result looks still much better than the dithered images of Eastern for OS 3.x.

19 June 2020, 13:22	#3441
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	oops - forgot the screenie: Attached Thumbnails

19 June 2020, 14:02	#3443
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,385	No, Eastern works with AfA as well as with my icon.library, but only with my versions 51.4.xxx. As long as icon_lib.exe is installed on AfA_OS Eastern will use icon_lib.exe for the thumbnails. You can distinguish that when you click onto a thumbnail: a whiter image comes from icon_lib.exe, a darker image from my icon.library. Make sure that you have the picture.datatype 45.17 of OS 3.9 installed for best results (or 46.13 from OS 3.14 with a little lower scaling quality). Eastern should not dither TrueColor pictures on the thumbnail images, just scale them down, if everything is correctly installed. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by PeterK; 19 June 2020 at 14:21.

19 June 2020, 16:13	#3450
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,262	@Peter I use Picture.datatypes 45.1, your screenshot doesn't help I would need to watch your startup-sequence, maybe I have something blocking the operation. @Weaselrama Renaming picture_datatype.exe improves pictures a lot with Eastern on AfA OS, but it can give bad surprises on other graphics applications like for example the WBStartup bar, see screenshots. Seeing the Icons with Dopus4 is important when you need to quickly look at the many icons for the choice in the various Disks or Directories. Eastern is nice but if you have to examine folders with lots of images it slows down the system considerably. Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 19 June 2020 at 18:52.

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19 June 2020, 13:26	#3442
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	Ah - ok, so both can work. I'll try your suggestions. Long thread - trying to grok all of it is a challenge, for me, anyway.

19 June 2020, 14:31	#3445
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,385	Don't use picture.datatype 46.13 if you also have 45.17 from OS 3.9, which gives better results. I don't care about AfA, skins, themes, TTF and other eye candy, I do not even use TrueColor icons consequently on my system. I'm not a real user of my own icon.library, nor of AmigaOS in general, it's just some sort of pointless occupation to kill time in a useless world.

19 June 2020, 14:56	#3447
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,385	That's the AfA_OS_LIBS:picture_datatype.exe, which has a poor scaling quality. Just rename it to use the picture.datatype of the AmigaOS instead.

19 June 2020, 15:58	#3449
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	Nevermind - outstanding! That worked like the proverbial charm! The thumbnails look great except I need to play with Eastern's aspect ratio tooltype a bit.

19 June 2020, 16:27	#3451
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	I have no issues with AmiDock. Also, I don't have to run Eastern in the startup or user. I run it from the Bench, then I use the Workbench tool "make real icons" and it snapshots the picture to the .info file. When I reboot - and without running Eastern, they're just the thumbnails Eastern generated. No big affect on my RAM at all.

19 June 2020, 16:35	#3452
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,262	Yes that's good maybe the command "Eastern" in the Workbench Toolbar

19 June 2020, 16:37	#3453
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	Probably not but I only have to run Eastern when I add new photos or pictures now.

19 June 2020, 16:56	#3454
Weaselrama Registered Voter Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Neunkirchen aP, DE Age: 62 Posts: 570	Well...not so fast. This works fine on .jpg/.jpeg files but on .png files, it doubles up - the .png and its associated .info are both saved and rendered as thumbnails. I gotta find a work around...

19 June 2020, 17:20	#3455
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,262	Stop the world, I want to get off Solved, also found here my solution or trick as Peter calls it, now Dopus4 and Eastern work together on AfA OS and Icon.library by Peter. Weaselrama I didn't understand well the PNG problem, net test video attached I used JPG and PNG images of various resolution and no problem detected Eastern and Dopus4 have become friends https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cjG...ew?usp=sharing

19 June 2020, 17:55	#3457
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,262	If you on the miniature do: - Menu Icon - Information - Save An icon equal to the miniature of the same size as the Miniature will be created.

19 June 2020, 17:59	#3458
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,385	@Weaselrama In case you want to create thumbnail preview icons permanently, you can use image2icon and i2iGUI as explained in my readme, and set the output format to OS4 TrueColor. That works great. Yes, Eastern needs a lot of time for real large images (some mega pixels) to scale them down, but I do not even have a digital camera or smartphone. I don't need these toys. @Carlo No idea where you got picture.datatype 45.1 from, I've never seen it. But congratulations, it seems that you have made it finally.

19 June 2020, 18:24	#3460
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,385	In this case you can be glad that AfA saves the Eastern icons in TrueColor, because my icon.library would convert them into the OS 3.5 format, it has no zlib compression routine yet. But the result looks still much better than the dithered images of Eastern for OS 3.x.

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