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They are probably off enjoying a game of quake. but in seriousness, two have replied to you in this thread alone, I know of at least 3 others, and there are video example on YouTube if you care to do a search. Plus there is anecdotal evidence from other people in the sonnet thread. I should probably keep my advice to myself from now on, but I don’t think there is much merit in pointing fingers at the powerpc.library which has been proven to work. Given the many different variable which go into a successful mediator + warp3d + ppc system, a conflict with something either software or hardware related isn’t to be unexpected...
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thanks trixter, but They are new cards (not used) and I have tested them in a my PC as ethernet cards They work perfectly in the PC computer, so these two cards are OK |
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now I prepare a full dir list with all file and size in SYS: (so libs: , c: , prefs: so if there is something of non correct It'll be easy to verify it) thanks |
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Dr Lu, did you update the the Killer NICs while in the PC? I'm not saying that's good or bad, I just don't know whether others have done the same.
If I have time tonight I'll swap in the K1 and the Voodoo and test on my tower which is pretty similar to yours. |
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no, I have not update them (K1 and M1), and sure none have update them becouse they are new ; if It's important to update them, I can do it In my K1 and M1 I see 59Mb of ram in showconfig and 512kb page table size in getinfo (in this video It's 1024kb why ? [ Show youtube player ] and in this video is 512kb [ Show youtube player ] ) Quote:
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I want to try to reinstall P96 driver, but I need your help
first tell me please which exact version of the P96 drivers I have to install, because as you know there are several versions (I have them all: 2.1b , 2.1c , 2.1d, 2.1e , but tell me which is the best version I have to install of them) thanks and I need to know from whom uses the K1 or M1 PPC cards which are exactly all the values entered in the Enviroment variables (ENVARC:Picasso96) and in the Tooltypes (tooltypes in DEVS:monitors/Voodoo3) and if used as default in OS3.9 a resolution LE or BE (for exemple 800x600 16bit PC or 800x600 16bit) thanks a lot guys |
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Use LE (PC) modes unless you have a reason not to, like running specific applications which require BE.
I use P96 2.1e. Trixster uses 2.1b. The new version 2.3 seems to work ok, but it's not really recommended yet. I failed at installing a K1 and Voodoo together in this tower tonight. Not because of power, drivers or ROM modules. The K1 does not physically sit in the slot evenly or if it does it has a poor connection to the PCI slot. Same with the Voodoo just below it. The PPC and Video cards that were working in it earlier have longer PCI pin pads than these two cards and the backplates do not physically restrict them from sitting fully flush in the PCI slots. This warped case is just not fitting those cards currently and I can briefly make it more stable by removing the backplates and either holding the cards in place or secure them without the backplanes where the PCI connection pads on the cards are not visible. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 05 September 2019 at 04:11. |
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ok, but better to use with K1 M1 P96 2.1e or 2.1b or it doesn't matter ? Can you grab screenshot your PVS (P96) with all correct ENVS and Tooltypes to use with K1 M1 ? Quote:
have you find the blitzquake gl 6.0 stable ? About the firmware update of the K1 and M1 cards I found only this on the internet https://www.helpjet.net/Fs-14647997-...0-extract.html |
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None of the ancient versions would solve the problems mentioned here when even the old warp3d test programs or the soft-render QuakeWOS fails. |
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Where was it mentioned about tests with QuakeWOS? I asked twice but I thought I hadn't received an answer. Maybe I missed it.
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#3316 ..... I assumed he tested QWOS after all.
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Night 2 with the K1 recertification project.
Last episode I had tried to do what I had suggested numerous times and failed to make it work. Tonight I modified the backplate so it would sit as deep in the socket as it could. Tried this order, which I said five times would work: 5) Nothing 4) K1 3) Voodoo 2) Nothing 1) Nothing It did not work. QuakeGL or Amigenerator would start for a few seconds and crash. Bogomips and Syspeed, basically brief blips and not intensive would run. System would hard reboot, did not see a last alert, and was not fast enough to move the monitor cable if there was a guru. There probably was a guru. Tried various things and could not make this configuration work. Then moved the K1 with this card order: 5) K1 4) Nothing 3) Voodoo 2) Nothing 1) Nothing Basically the same, would start Amigenerator or QuakeGL possibly for a few seconds and hard reboot. So tried this: 5) Nothing 4) Nothing 3) Voodoo 2) K1 1) Nothing Even worse, Voodoo was starting and system would hang with a black screen. Might have been the K1 hanging as it starts right after. After many reboots eventually got the system started, GLQuake hard reboot the system just before the display came up. This however worked: 5) 100MB NIC 4) Nothing 3) Voodoo 2) K1 1) Nothing GLQuake running now, Amigenerator running for a few minutes. Ran GLQuake for 1 hour, then exited cleanly and ran Amigenerator, has been running for 20 minutes or so. Measuring about 4.82V on the Mediator Bridge Crystal. 4.98V on one of the HDD power cables after 3x fan adapters and a floppy drive power adapter. No idea what is going on other than maybe the K1 does not like to be the bus terminator? I finally got something to not work. Not work alert level was raised to 1, after running Cowcat's GLQuake 6.1 for 1 hour, Amigenerator for 30 minutes, then running a timedemo of Cowcat's VBCC old Quake2 (I had to remove the stack 1000000 from the launch script, otherwise it ran out of memory), then tried to run Dosbox but it complained it didn't have enough memory... so whatever, then tried to run ScummVM WOS 1.8 r15, launched COMI and it sort of hung. PPC is still running but ScummVM 1.8 r15 WOS is just sitting on a black screen, can Amiga-M back to Workbench and run other PPC stuff-I think the sloppy author of this port has some problem with their lousy test release-or memory was too fragmented, probably the former. So then I ran Devilution-X which launched, after I mounted CF0 and it's sitting next to the crone that sells magic items. So yes K1 works to run Cowcat's GLQuake 6.1 for 1 hour, Amigenerator for 30 minutes, one timedemo of Cowcat's VBCC old Quake2, and then you can look at the ScummVM gui and try to launch COMI, then that freezes but Devilution-Xnewsdl is will run but without sound (because maybe Dosbox didn't close the SDL_Sound device when it failed to launch) before your good time ends. Specs: WarpEngine 060/66MHz Mediator Black 4000D (Towerized A4000D) with 3.3V VRM K1 Voodoo3-2000 100MB NIC A4000 RevB with 64MB Mod PIO2 Mod Warp DTs Some drives And screenshot after quitting Devilution, back to Workbench: Tomorrow I will put the Ragnarok back in the machine, if you want me to test something else before I restore the system to back the way it was let me know. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 07 September 2019 at 03:21. |
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tested now in this way:
5) 100MB NIC RTL 8100C 4) Nothing 3) Voodoo3 2000 2) K1 1) Nothing tested "gear ppc" demo , about 10 or more minutes and crash / reboot +4.97V on the Mediator Bridge Crystal (two iniect +5V, on PCI and Zorro slot) damn ... can you grab a screenshot of all your variables ENVARC and Tooltypes Picasso 96 used ? which version of powerpc.library are using exactly ? which OS are you using ? (3.9bb2, 3.9bb1, 3.1, ...) which 100MB nic ethernet model are you using ? Are you sure It's always full stable your system with this configuration ? 5) 100MB 4) Nothing 3) Voodoo 2) K1 1) Nothing Last edited by drluking; 06 September 2019 at 18:39. |
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I've never used a K1/M1 but I have set up Sonnet, Rapture and Ragnarok systems. In my experience, there are only 3 things that make systems unstable with the library now that it's very mature: 1. Incorrect software install or corrupted binaries 2. Bad volts to the cpu card 3. CPU overheating That's it. There is a slight chance of an issue with PCI termination if the last slot isn't filled but I've never encountered that myself (it's a topic discussed about a 150 pages back in this thread somewhere). If your system is running software properly for more than about 10 seconds we can almost certainly discount 1. Sounds like the volts are fine if you have working power injectors near to the card. So I call out overheating, especially as your failures are after running for a while. Open the case and get a big desk fan blowing on the CPU area at full speed and see if that makes a difference. Should be relatively quick to assess whether heat is an issue. |
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Day 3 K1 Recertification project.
Started up the K1 and started GLQuake. Seems fine. Will gather the exact versions after I find the CF I was using to pull data off this machine. It's ClassicWB 3.9 with BB2 Kickstart plus a dash of 3 and 4 for flavor. Running sonnetlib build 426 from the Git/Jenkins. More system info: PCI Code:
Pci Device 1: VendorID: $1957 VendorName: Persephone-Team DeviceID: $86 DeviceName: LittleWeenie K1 ClassCode: $b2000 RevisionID: $30 InterruptPin: 2 SubsystemVendorID: $1a56 SubsystemID: $201 MemSpace0: $60000000 - $600fffff MemSpace1: $68000000 - $6bffffff Pci Device 2: VendorID: $121a VendorName: 3dfx Interactive Inc DeviceID: $5 DeviceName: Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000 ClassCode: $30000 RevisionID: $1 InterruptPin: 3 SubsystemVendorID: $121a SubsystemID: $36 MemSpace0: $62000000 - $63ffffff MemSpace1: $64000000 - $65ffffff IOSpace2: $41c06000 - $41c060ff RomSpace: $60100000 - $6010ffff Pci Device 3: VendorID: $10ec VendorName: Realtek Semiconductor DeviceID: $8139 DeviceName: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet NIC ClassCode: $20000 RevisionID: $10 InterruptPin: 1 SubsystemVendorID: $10ec SubsystemID: $8139 IOSpace0: $41c06100 - $41c061ff MemSpace1: $60200000 - $602000ff Code:
Address Pri OpenC RPC Name & Version $08219230 0 1 37 68060.library 46.2 68k $08D1E82C 0 2 14 asl.library 45.4 68k $08CB7790 0 11 8 bevel.image 45.7 68k $08CB97B8 0 2 5 button.gadget 45.6 68k $08967AA8 -30 0 12 cgxvideo.library 41.6 68k $08F0D388 0 1 5 checkbox.gadget 45.3 68k $08D18D6C 0 3 11 chooser.gadget 45.7 68k $08D18ED8 0 1 9 clicktab.gadget 45.3 68k $08CAC624 0 8 39 commodities.library 44.18 68k $089659B8 -30 8 40 cybergraphics.library 41.4 68k $0892A8A0 0 0 53 datatypes.library 44.47 68k $08A29C0C 0 0 11 diskfont.library 45.7 68k $0803677C 0 81 174 dos.library 42.2 68k $08CB79B0 0 2 5 drawlist.image 45.0 68k $089280AC -30 1 55 emulation.library 40.389 68k $080008BC -100 1 150 exec.library 45.20 68k $000046CC -20 8 27 expansion.library 40.2 68k $089283E0 0 15 29 gadtools.library 40.4 68k $08CB78E8 0 6 5 glyph.image 45.6 68k $08008E3C 0 1 179 graphics.library 40.24 68k $0885EAF0 0 14 33 icon.library 46.4 68k $685B2E70 0 1 12 identify.library 37.1 68k $0825D2F0 0 8 45 iffparse.library 40.1 68k $08BFCDA0 0 2 5 ilbm.datatype 44.26 68k $08011C1C 0 1 138 intuition.library 45.10 68k $0800EE38 0 1 8 keymap.library 40.4 68k $08F08410 0 1 5 label.image 45.4 68k $0800D61C 0 1 42 layers.library 45.27 68k $08D37350 0 2 12 layout.gadget 45.9 68k $08CB3808 0 3 20 listbrowser.gadget 45.12 68k $0825EE28 0 0 36 locale.library 44.6 68k $08BFD0E0 0 4 16 mathieeedoubbas.library 45.3 68k $08CB1640 0 1 21 mathieeedoubtrans.library 45.5 68k $080146D8 0 0 16 mathieeesingbas.library 41.0 68k $0824E5FC 0 4 75 mmu.library 46.12 68k $08F86F14 0 1 38 muigfx.library 19.9 68k $08F87030 0 4 33 muilowlevel.library 19.9 68k $08F86DDC 0 3 51 muimaster.library 19.35 68k $08FA0468 0 1 13 muirexx.library 19.9 68k $08F949B0 0 1 5 NList.mcc 20.138 68k $08F955E8 0 1 5 NListview.mcc 19.93 68k $08967C90 0 1 28 pci.library 13.8 68k $08F132A8 0 1 5 penmap.image 45.4 68k $6851702C 0 1 6 picture.datatype 45.17 68k $6BF7FA88 0 3 -1 powerpc.library 17.12 68k $08D1E5BC 0 1 15 radiobutton.gadget 45.4 68k $08CB3708 0 1 12 resource.library 44.103 68k $08BFE46C 127 4 79 rexxsyslib.library 44.1 68k $0895DA5C -70 0 59 rtg.library 40.4029 68k $08F90D64 0 2 10 screennotify.library 1.2 68k $08CB96F0 0 2 5 scroller.gadget 45.9 68k $08F033E8 0 1 5 space.gadget 45.1 68k $08D1E3C0 0 1 9 speedbar.gadget 45.1 68k $08CB9C78 0 2 5 string.gadget 45.16 68k $08F10A68 0 1 5 titlebar.image 40.14 68k $08000250 0 77 49 utility.library 40.1 68k $08967BA4 -30 0 22 vilintuisup.library 2.9 68k $0896878C 0 1 6 Voodoo.card 4.35 68k $0825D8E0 0 0 4 warp.library 5.1 68k $08D372AC 0 1 7 window.class 45.16 68k $08CB1560 0 1 44 wizard.library 42.100 68k $08A2287C 0 9 22 workbench.library 45.132 68k $08C0487C 0 1 26 xfdmaster.library 39.15 68k Code:
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two day of work with mediator and ppc and nothing solved, but some news I add later in next post message No overheating (all with BIG fans, with other PSU used only for these fans) and temperature 20 Celsius ... so no overheating problem Yes about Volts and done also better (arrived at +5,01V to Mediator oscillator ...) so no Volts problem (Elbox says correct from 4,95V to 5,05V) Software problem is possibile, but my opinion is there is a problem of stability with pci.library 13.8 and/or powerpc.library about K1 M1 PPC card support or firmware of K1 M1 to be updated Last edited by drluking; 08 September 2019 at 15:27. |
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two days spent only to try to do work this damn PPC K1 M1 and not very good news Here, only this config works partially: PCI1 SB128 (address1) PCI2 Voodoo3 (address2) PCI3 K1 (address3) PCI4 ethernet RTL 100 (address4) PCI5 ---nothing--- Sometimes I can run correctly the ByNight and Sulaco Encore's demos (in screen and window mode), and sometime not (crash/reboot of the OS), same as for "gear ppc" demos in Warp3D software, and same as for "Voxelspace G" RTG in WarpUP software, and same as with QuakeWOS RTG 8bit and same as with BlitzQuakeGL 6.1 and 7.3 Warp3d All these in completely random moments (initially or after correctly performing a demo ..an so..) (((not related to stability problems, but only for curiosity, which version of mpega.library should be used with WarpUP PPC software software ? (I use AHI 4.18 with all AHI modes Paula 8bit DMA) there is the 68k one default version in OS3.9 (I use this one), while many others in aminet http://aminet.net/search?query=mpega and one in aminet is WOS specific of 1999))) tried to use an other third a4000 mainboard recapped and full working ... but always same as problems ! Same as using an other Voodoo (Voodoo3 3000 VS the 2000) Used other PSU AT and ATX ..and so.. nothing changed My conclusion is, at the moment: -or a my mistake with software (but I have again and again reinstalled all and I have only a clean basic OS3.9 bb2, and P96 2.1e + Warp3D); I have also tried all your ENVS and Tooltypes tips, but nothing is changed ... -or I need to update the K1 M1 firmware, Where can I download these firmware ??? (if It can be useful to solve the problem) -or K1 and M1 are not yet full supported correctly (They need more testing and fixing) and there are some problems with pci.library 13.8 and or actual powerpc.library versions If you and Hedeon can help me, I can try to debug something with COP app via nullmodem to identify problems, so that you can correct them for all K1 M1 users I have sent you (grelbfarlk) now a private message for a for a request, hoping you can help me !!! thanks Last edited by drluking; 08 September 2019 at 15:33. |
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