Problems burning Kickstart - Page 16

Doobrey · 03 March 2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by DoogUK

Ok, after being back and forth with Doobrey who a should add is extremely helpful and i must express my appreciation

No probs, it's about time I had a kick up the backside to get back into this.

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Doobrey has compiled an Arexx script to join the roms together to create the full 1mb rom, which i cannot get to run

pilot error i suspect but i'm waiting to hear back from Doobrey.

No error messages at all?

In my haste to put together the last update, I forgot to mention that the ARexx scripts need rxasl.library and rmh.library (http://alfie.altervista.org/soft/index.html)

Also, I just checked and I'd added an old version of the scripts to the archive, Toni already reported similar problems which I'd fixed (broken library checks in the script so it never reported the errors!)

Toni, can I borrow your paper bag again ?

DoogUK · 03 March 2009, 00:10

No..there was no errors...it said in the lower right hand corner running 1mb script but just hung there..

Calgor · 03 March 2009, 01:15

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Originally Posted by DoogUK

For anyone interested the new remus/romsplit archive is here:
http://www.doobreynet.co.uk/beta/index.html

Great to have Doobrey here! So what version of Remus is supposed to be used? I thought it was v1-rc7 or later, but on that webpage I only see v0.97 and can't see the Arexx scripts (perhaps they have been taken down temporarily as some fixes still need to be made?)

prowler · 03 March 2009, 01:19

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Originally Posted by Calgor

So what version of Remus is supposed to be used? I thought it was v1-rc7 or later, but on that webpage I only see v0.97 and can't see the Arexx scripts (perhaps they have been taken down temporarily as some fixes still need to be made?)

Hi Calgor,

Clear your webcache. I'm seeing v1-rc23 here.

prowler

Calgor · 03 March 2009, 01:49

Ah.... all those fancy caches..... thanks

Toni Wilen · 03 March 2009, 07:48

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Originally Posted by DoogUK

Just one question for Toni, does winuae support loading 1mb roms?

Yes but I can't guarantee it isn't broken currently

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doobrey

Also, I just checked and I'd added an old version of the scripts to the archive, Toni already reported similar problems which I'd fixed (broken library checks in the script so it never reported the errors!)

Toni, can I borrow your paper bag again ?

You can always borrow it

btw, "EPROMS should be 150ns or faster" should be ~140ns or faster (which practically means 120ns, I guess most 150ns chips are still fast enough but not all) (~7MHz, half the CPU clock = ~140ns, at least on an A1200)

DoogUK · 03 March 2009, 10:19

i have 100ns 27c322's

Toni Wilen · 03 March 2009, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

btw, "EPROMS should be 150ns or faster" should be ~140ns or faster (which practically means 120ns, I guess most 150ns chips are still fast enough but not all) (~7MHz, half the CPU clock = ~140ns, at least on an A1200)

Perhaps this is A1200-only "feature" because exact same 150ns EPROM works on A500 and A3000.. (A3000 tested 5 mins ago)

EDIT: of course 150ns EPROM works because A3000 had ROM timing jumpers set to slowest position..

DoogUK · 03 March 2009, 17:12

I have created 2 sets of roms twice as advised by Doobrey and cannot get winuae to run with them at all, i can create the 44.57 (3.9) rom and it runs fine...just cannot get this extended rom to be recognised.

Toni Wilen · 03 March 2009, 18:02

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Originally Posted by DoogUK

I have created 2 sets of roms twice as advised by Doobrey and cannot get winuae to run with them at all, i can create the 44.57 (3.9) rom and it runs fine...just cannot get this extended rom to be recognised.

Separate KS and extended ROM file: works fine.
Extended and KS joined (single 1M ROM): still works fine.

Note that WinUAE only understand byteswapped or interleaved ROMs if they are known official ROMs (recognized by ROM scanner)

spotUP · 03 March 2009, 23:13

nice to see doobrey in this thread!
i hope it will continue to evolve!
we want copy/dir/makedir/rename/etc (well, the most used commands anyway, you get the idea) in the rom so that the shell becomes more useful when booting from disks.
that'd make good use of the 1mb roms.

Calgor · 06 March 2009, 08:39

@Toni

Which version of WinUAE should I be using to test the 1MB ROM? Is 1.5.3 fine? I only ask because I noticed 1.5.4b5/1.6.0b5 had some 32bit ROM loading changes. What version did you use for your test?

Toni Wilen · 06 March 2009, 09:03

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Originally Posted by Calgor

@Toni

Which version of WinUAE should I be using to test the 1MB ROM? Is 1.5.3 fine? I only ask because I noticed 1.5.4b5/1.6.0b5 had some 32bit ROM loading changes. What version did you use for your test?

It was about merging scanner recognised odd/even 16-bit ROM files to single 32-bit. Nothing to do with testing custom roms..

Zetr0 · 12 March 2009, 00:40

Hiyas all

now can some one tell me why there is such a delay on KS3.1 roms? I can undestand a 5 second wait for an IDE device, but it seems to be stuck for a good 30 seconds.WTF?

I want to keep the IDE but want rid of the damn wait.... any help is greatfully recieved

gklinger · 12 March 2009, 05:41

Is it possible to make a version of 3.9 without the IDE stuff completely for those who have SCSI controllers? Would there be an advantage to doing so?

rkauer · 12 March 2009, 07:43

Yes, there is two advantages: less memory consume (few kb) and less boot time.

TheCorfiot · 12 March 2009, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Zetr0

Hiyas all

now can some one tell me why there is such a delay on KS3.1 roms? I can undestand a 5 second wait for an IDE device, but it seems to be stuck for a good 30 seconds.WTF?

I want to keep the IDE but want rid of the damn wait.... any help is greatfully recieved

@Z

I believe one of the big complaints (in the day) when KS3.0 came out was that it didn't allow enough "spin up" time for the old HD's.
This meant that whenever you started a HD equipped A1200 you would get the insert floppy screen, sadly the three finger reset wouldn't help as it also generated a "RESET" on the IDE interface too (PIN 1) which meant the HD would reset again too & with some HD combinations HD booting was impossible.
I had an 80MB HD in those days that displayed the above issue. The workaround was too cut pin 1 which would allow a three finger reset to then boot from the HD.

KS 3.1 was patched to allow for this but I think they went for severe overkill regarding the time delay. Of course these days with new fast HD's & CF it's not required.

Now I know an IDE terminator exists for the A4000 to avoid this delay if booting from SCSI or any other Z3 card, logic says that we should be able to patch this terminator for use with the A1200 too.

TC

Jope · 13 March 2009, 08:28

Just remove scsi.device from your ROM with Doobrey's tools?

hit · 15 March 2009, 17:53

not sure, but does the module "WaitIDE" from the blitzkick archiv solves the ide wait issue? the .asm file is there too. maybe someone can confirm?

Edit: hmm, it does the opposite. from the blitzkick.guide: "@{u}WaitIDE@{uu} patches Kickstart 3.0 or newer to wait all IDE devices (even those slowly spinning-up ones!)."

or am i wrong?

Jope · 17 March 2009, 07:20

WaitIDE adds delay to the 3.0 bootup.

15 March 2009, 17:53	#319
hit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,115	not sure, but does the module "WaitIDE" from the blitzkick archiv solves the ide wait issue? the .asm file is there too. maybe someone can confirm? Edit: hmm, it does the opposite. from the blitzkick.guide: "@{u}WaitIDE@{uu} patches Kickstart 3.0 or newer to wait all IDE devices (even those slowly spinning-up ones!)." or am i wrong? Last edited by hit; 15 March 2009 at 18:26.

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03 March 2009, 00:10	#302
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	No..there was no errors...it said in the lower right hand corner running 1mb script but just hung there..

03 March 2009, 01:49	#305
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	Ah.... all those fancy caches..... thanks

03 March 2009, 10:19	#307
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	i have 100ns 27c322's

03 March 2009, 17:12	#309
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	I have created 2 sets of roms twice as advised by Doobrey and cannot get winuae to run with them at all, i can create the 44.57 (3.9) rom and it runs fine...just cannot get this extended rom to be recognised.

03 March 2009, 23:13	#311
spotUP Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Age: 46 Posts: 430	nice to see doobrey in this thread! i hope it will continue to evolve! we want copy/dir/makedir/rename/etc (well, the most used commands anyway, you get the idea) in the rom so that the shell becomes more useful when booting from disks. that'd make good use of the 1mb roms.

06 March 2009, 08:39	#312
Calgor (Amigas && Amigos)++ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 999	@Toni Which version of WinUAE should I be using to test the 1MB ROM? Is 1.5.3 fine? I only ask because I noticed 1.5.4b5/1.6.0b5 had some 32bit ROM loading changes. What version did you use for your test?

12 March 2009, 00:40	#314
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Hiyas all now can some one tell me why there is such a delay on KS3.1 roms? I can undestand a 5 second wait for an IDE device, but it seems to be stuck for a good 30 seconds.WTF? I want to keep the IDE but want rid of the damn wait.... any help is greatfully recieved

12 March 2009, 05:41	#315
gklinger Vegetable Lasagna Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto, CANADA Age: 54 Posts: 711	Is it possible to make a version of 3.9 without the IDE stuff completely for those who have SCSI controllers? Would there be an advantage to doing so?

12 March 2009, 07:43	#316
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Yes, there is two advantages: less memory consume (few kb) and less boot time.

13 March 2009, 08:28	#318
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,910	Just remove scsi.device from your ROM with Doobrey's tools?

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