Amiga Clone Natami - Planned For Summer 2008 - Page 16

prowler · 22 January 2009, 23:26

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

@prowler
Maybe it's a good idea to join the guys and give some insights of what is going on then

That's a *great* idea!

I wonder if they'd welcome another team member.

TCD · 22 January 2009, 23:31

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Originally Posted by prowler

That's a *great* idea!

I wonder if they'd welcome another team member.

Well Gunnar said that they welcome new developers, so I guess they wouldn't disagree if someone with your technical documentation skills and an Amiga background joins in

It was just an idea, because there are really very little hard facts about the current state of the project. So it wasn't a complete joke

StingRay · 23 January 2009, 12:18

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Well Gunnar said that they welcome new developers, so I guess they wouldn't disagree if someone with your technical documentation skills and an Amiga background joins in

Nah, BigGun can do it all himself, he doesn't need any help.

J.Tramiel · 23 January 2009, 17:53

Don't see this project coming to anything personally.

I mean, what company is going to be interested in something based on 10-20 year old technology? Even if the miraculous happens and a prototype is comleted - don't expect any company to touch it with a bargepole. The only thing it really has going for it is the promise of backwards compatibility - which in itself is a wild and dangerous claim.

My initial thoughts on the Minimig were similar, but because of the cheap components, and the fact that the creator didn't publicise his work until it was 90% complete - the idea seemed feasible. And I am glad that project blossomed (although there haven't been any firmware updates for nearly 12mths).

Nice mock-up screenshots on the Natami website though

Dontcha just lurve a bit of vapour-ware?

I reckon this thread needs a poll - Natami: Real or Pretend?

alexh · 23 January 2009, 19:47

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Originally Posted by J.Tramiel

I mean, what company is going to be interested in something based on 10-20 year old technology?

Erm the companies that made $$$$$ from the direct2tv joysticks.

The 3D in NatAmi is almost certainly pretend or 50spf

Amiga1992 · 23 January 2009, 20:32

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Originally Posted by alexh

Erm the companies that made $$$$$ from the direct2tv joysticks.

That's a cash-inn on nostalgia and gaming!
A project like Natami is not aimed at something like that. Minimig could, with the promise of A500 games on a cut down version, but this is a pretentious project to try to make an Amiga computer replacement.

Definitely not the same market as those DTV devices.

alexh · 23 January 2009, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Akira

Definitely not the same market as those DTV devices.

That is the only one that is viable.

Amiga1992 · 23 January 2009, 21:30

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Originally Posted by alexh

That is the only one that is viable.

Therefore, J.Tramiel's observation is correct

A project like this will never see a company producing and marketing it!

whiteb · 23 January 2009, 22:22

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Originally Posted by J.Tramiel

My initial thoughts on the Minimig were similar, but because of the cheap components, and the fact that the creator didn't publicise his work until it was 90% complete - the idea seemed feasible. And I am glad that project blossomed (although there haven't been any firmware updates for nearly 12mths).

On the contrary, Last Firmware was back in August (i think), for write ability to ADF, joystick control of menu options, and a few FPGA bug fixes. Update was for BOTH PAL and NTSC.

There has been illuwatar and his Mini-ITX minimig, http://www.illuwatar.se/project_page...imig20-009.jpg

and Yaqube with his drop in Pic replacement that has Hard file support.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3zG4zE4qQ

Paul_s · 23 January 2009, 22:24

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Originally Posted by J.Tramiel

Don't see this project coming to anything personally.

Dontcha just lurve a bit of vapour-ware?

yup. Personally I think whoever coined the idea in the first place have bitten off more than they can chew.

It'd be better (and easier) to just rework the 1200 design and incorporate some uptodate features that most people do with 1200's nowadays... i.e. indivision, usb, cd-rom, dual ide ports, built in 68060 etc... now THAT would be nice.... with technology on offer these days, with the size of the 1200 board you could fit lots of shizzle on it

You could save a few bucks and just do it as a drop in replacement motherboard like those guys in australia did with the enhanced 1000 drop in motherboard they did

lopos2000 · 23 January 2009, 23:03

I think we should be happy that someone is still prepared to do something for a dying community.
Encouraging not moaning is required.

prowler · 23 January 2009, 23:15

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Originally Posted by lopos2000

I think we should be happy that someone is still prepared to do something for a dying community.
Encouraging not moaning is required.

It must be terribly disheartening for the NatAmi development team to know that members of one of the main online communities for the Amiga platform are discussing this project with such contempt.

lopos2000 · 23 January 2009, 23:17

Thanks prowler

Bamiga2002 · 23 January 2009, 23:27

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Originally Posted by Akira

Therefore, J.Tramiel's observation is correct

A project like this will never see a company producing and marketing it!

Would you pish your pants (again) if it did?

prowler · 23 January 2009, 23:31

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Originally Posted by lopos2000

Thanks prowler

You're welcome, mate!

Incidentally, I first expressed my viewpoint in this post:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=106

I dared not post that here for fear of being flamed (the mood here was particularly negative at the time

).

TCD · 23 January 2009, 23:43

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Originally Posted by prowler

It must be terribly disheartening for the NatAmi development team to know that members of one of the main online communities for the Amiga platform are discussing this project with such contempt.

Sorry to say that prowler, but if you follow this thread you'll see that there was a lot of encouragement at the start of the thread, but since there is no NatAmi right now and there are no facts that prove what they have achieved so far the 'tone' has changes. Like I said I really wish to see this happen, but I don't see why they don't show what they have done until now. So the basic idea is : With all the cheering, wouldn't it be possible to share some more about the project?

StingRay · 24 January 2009, 00:34

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Originally Posted by prowler

It must be terribly disheartening for the NatAmi development team to know that members of one of the main online communities for the Amiga platform are discussing this project with such contempt.

What goes around comes around. You should have seen how a certain quite dubious member of the NatAmi team "discussed" with people who gave him constructive feedback.

prowler · 24 January 2009, 00:40

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

If you follow this thread you'll see that there was a lot of encouragement at the start of the thread, but since there is no NatAmi right now and there are no facts that prove what they have achieved so far the 'tone' has changes. Like I said I really wish to see this happen, but I don't see why they don't show what they have done until now. So the basic idea is : With all the cheering, wouldn't it be possible to share some more about the project?

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Originally Posted by StingRay

What goes around comes around. You should have seen how a certain quite dubious member of the NatAmi team "discussed" with people who gave him constructive feedback.

@TCD @StingRay:

I still say that the statement I made earlier is the main cause of these misunderstandings.

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Originally Posted by prowler

Most engineers are hopeless at describing their work.

Amiga1992 · 24 January 2009, 02:56

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Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Would you pish your pants (again) if it did?

I hope you know I actually didn't, but that was funny

No, a project like this doesn't interest me at least one bit. My A1200 is running fine, and when a day comes I can't use it or replace it anymore, I have WinUAE.

Paul_s · 24 January 2009, 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

It must be terribly disheartening for the NatAmi development team to know that members of one of the main online communities for the Amiga platform are discussing this project with such contempt.

I'm all for the project - I don't mean to sound negative... but when there's no updates or progression and the thing is more than half a year late what can folk do apart from wonder if it'll ever come to fruitation

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23 January 2009, 17:53	#304
J.Tramiel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Millom, Cumbria Posts: 63	Don't see this project coming to anything personally. I mean, what company is going to be interested in something based on 10-20 year old technology? Even if the miraculous happens and a prototype is comleted - don't expect any company to touch it with a bargepole. The only thing it really has going for it is the promise of backwards compatibility - which in itself is a wild and dangerous claim. My initial thoughts on the Minimig were similar, but because of the cheap components, and the fact that the creator didn't publicise his work until it was 90% complete - the idea seemed feasible. And I am glad that project blossomed (although there haven't been any firmware updates for nearly 12mths). Nice mock-up screenshots on the Natami website though Dontcha just lurve a bit of vapour-ware? I reckon this thread needs a poll - Natami: Real or Pretend?

23 January 2009, 23:03	#311
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	I think we should be happy that someone is still prepared to do something for a dying community. Encouraging not moaning is required.

23 January 2009, 23:17	#313
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	Thanks prowler

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