Games you never understood to play (the right way) - Page 15

rsn8887 · 05 June 2019, 19:52

Eye of the Storm - no clue what was going on, also very scary
Barbarian (Psygnosis) - controls were unusable to me
Killing Cloud - I owned the original, read the manual, still couldn't get anywhere in the game
Midwinter - Never could get anywhere, I owned the manual, still didn't help.
Head over Heels - As a little child, I never understood this game correctly. Once I had the manual and the Amiga version as a teenager, I was still confused. Many rooms seemed impossible.
Nathan Never - What is this game? How to get past the first few rooms? A mystery.
Damocles/Mercenary 3 - Even with the manual, I couldn't figure these games out.

zero · 10 July 2019, 13:28

Midwinter 2, set sex appeal to max and then on every island look for someone of the opposite sex to seduce... aka the James Bond method.

Frontier was supposed to be played as a trader or pirate I guess, but I mostly looked for ways to cheat the system.

On UFO I got fed up and hex edited the save file to boost my team's stats.

Syndicate was probably supposed to be played with cunning and skill, but it was easier to hide 8 miniguns under your trench coat and just brute force every mission. There was an assassination job where some guy was giving a speech. Obviously you were supposed to use the sniper rifle or laser, but the gauss gun was more fun.

On Lionheart I got stuck trying to get on to the ship because I couldn't figure out how to make the platform swing far enough to make the jump.

In Xenon 2 there was a section where there was a near infinite supply of money if you kept reversing the screen scrolling enough.

The amateur riders in No Second Prize can be knocked over if you are careful, and with some skill you can use them to take out your competitors!

In Dune II you get missile launcher units. Their range is exactly 1 square further than any base defence so you can just park them exactly one screen length away and let them slowly destroy the enemy base with impunity.

Some levels in Robocop end with a fight against ED209. You can use your gun or you can just jump and punch it in the face. Due to crap coding your punches are like a chainsaw and do massive damage every frame. It's usually easier to just shoot it though.

Sidewinder has an autofire power-up you can collect, but I always used the joystick's autofire function. In fact a Zip Stick's autofire is so fast that it causes your shots to become invisible because the sprites for them overlap (it re-used the same sprite multiple times).

In the PD game Master Blaster you can do an infinite bomb chain that is very hard to avoid. You need to have collected a decent number of bombs and speed power ups. Plant one bomb, wait a couple of seconds and then run away from it leaving a trail of bombs behind you. They will detonate in sequence and your opponent will have a hard time avoiding them, or stopping you for that matter.

ransom1122 · 10 July 2019, 14:03

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Originally Posted by zero

In Xenon 2 there was a section where there was a near infinite supply of money if you kept reversing the screen scrolling enoug

Intrigued as to where this part is?

mcbpete · 10 August 2019, 16:43

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Originally Posted by 005AGIMA

Again in the context of this thread, this is my "trying" to play Wizball
[ Show youtube player ]

Got to grips with this back in '90/'91 (so would've been 8 or 9) - The Amiga version is probably slightly more fiddly than the C64 I grew up with though

Step one - Use the spikey enemies at the start to upgrade your Wizball (the upgrades are the bubbles they leave behind when shot). Just upgrade the controls for your ball to start with (slot 1), do that twice so you have full 'normal' wizball control. To get an upgrade you wiggle the joystick left and right quickly on whatever icon is currently highlighted at the top of the screen

Step two - Shoot enough spikey enemies to get the upgrade that looks like a little version of your ball (slot 3). That's your sidekick the 'Cat' (or Catellite). It'll follow you everywhere and you use it to pick up any paint drops that fall out of enemies. If you hold down the fire button the joystick will move the 'Cat' around rather than you (sometimes useful for picking up paint drops)

Step three - Pick up enough paint drops to beat the level and go wild in the bonus round shooting everything and avoiding getting hit.

Step four - After the bonus round you can choose a permanent upgrade (I always choose the control upgrade as per step 1

Rinse and repeat !

Gordon · 10 August 2019, 17:34

Diggers

I still don’t know

Hewitson · 11 August 2019, 03:38

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Originally Posted by mcbpete

Got to grips with this back in '90/'91 (so would've been 8 or 9) - The Amiga version is probably slightly more fiddly than the C64 I grew up with though

The C64 version is definitely the one to play.

005AGIMA · 11 August 2019, 08:13

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Originally Posted by mcbpete

Got to grips with this back in '90/'91 (so would've been 8 or 9) - The Amiga version is probably slightly more fiddly than the C64 I grew up with though

Step one - Use the spikey enemies at the start to upgrade your Wizball (the upgrades are the bubbles they leave behind when shot). Just upgrade the controls for your ball to start with (slot 1), do that twice so you have full 'normal' wizball control. To get an upgrade you wiggle the joystick left and right quickly on whatever icon is currently highlighted at the top of the screen

Step two - Shoot enough spikey enemies to get the upgrade that looks like a little version of your ball (slot 3). That's your sidekick the 'Cat' (or Catellite). It'll follow you everywhere and you use it to pick up any paint drops that fall out of enemies. If you hold down the fire button the joystick will move the 'Cat' around rather than you (sometimes useful for picking up paint drops)

Step three - Pick up enough paint drops to beat the level and go wild in the bonus round shooting everything and avoiding getting hit.

Step four - After the bonus round you can choose a permanent upgrade (I always choose the control upgrade as per step 1

Rinse and repeat !

Ah thanks for the reminder re the controls. I do recall back in the day getting "better" and I remember the cat and getting that from time to time.

But yeah, never got very far back then lol. I look forward to revisiting it on my real Amiga at the end of the year though.

AmigaHope · 13 August 2019, 04:16

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Originally Posted by 005AGIMA

Ah thanks for the reminder re the controls. I do recall back in the day getting "better" and I remember the cat and getting that from time to time.

But yeah, never got very far back then lol. I look forward to revisiting it on my real Amiga at the end of the year though.

Wizball is 100X more fun (and easier!) in 2-player mode where the second player controls Wizcat.

Edit: And if you're truly insane if you're playing by yourself, you control both joysticks yourself in 2-player mode so you can move the Wizball and Wizcat independently.

Shatterhand · 13 August 2019, 04:19

Exile .

Everyone always said this game is incredible and awesome. When I finally got it and played it, all the time I was "What the hell am I supposed to do? I fly around, cool... and?"

Without a manual that game is impossible.

Tigerskunk · 13 August 2019, 09:18

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Originally Posted by spudje

and Warhead (but I got a Dox with keys for that) a bit as well. )

I was completely lost on Warhead as well.
But i tried out a lot of stuff, and then I found out you could change the way the ship behaves to something more akin to Elite by pressing a number button.

And after that, it was one of the best experiences I had on the Amiga.

Anubis · 13 August 2019, 13:55

Just checked this topic, I thought I replied to something similar long time ago (more than 10 years...)

Some games I never figured out how to play:

Sleepwalker (never completed first level, if there is something like level there

)

Lost Patrol (I usually get lost in this game

, had copy - no manual)

Cadaver (one of games I got with Amiga 500+ pack, never figured out how to play it

)

Robocop 3 - was this really a game??

One of my favorite things was to figure out how to play game, but those 4 I just could not figure out. Had manuals only for Cadaver, tho.

Shatterhand · 13 August 2019, 14:03

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Sleepwalker (never completed first level, if there is something like level there )

This had a copy protection that made the first level impossible to beat. I scratched my head for years too, couldn't understand how the 1st level could be so difficult.

d4rk3lf · 13 August 2019, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Exile .

Everyone always said this game is incredible and awesome. When I finally got it and played it, all the time I was "What the hell am I supposed to do? I fly around, cool... and?"

Without a manual that game is impossible.

I played a lot of Exile on my C64.
Like you, I didn't understand what I was supposed to do, but the flying and low gravity physics were so well done, that I kept playing it tirelessly.
One small thing after another, and I realized how I can grab the bomb, then how I can place it and detonate it to blow up the door.
Then I finally figured out what all the options mean, and played it with lots of joy.
It was such an incredible game, and the world was very mysterious to me.
Never finished it though.

Shatterhand · 14 August 2019, 00:14

Back when I was a kid I had lots of free time to figure out games. I still find amazing how I learned to play Elite and played it for so many hours without have a goddamn manual or guide for it.

Or how I finished Jagur on MSX without knowing one word of japanese. I still have no idea of what the storyline is about on that game or why the heck I had to buy lots of stuff to a girl who then would try to kill me, or why I was setting fire to all those trees or why on a certain area the villagers tried to kill me.... but I figured out how to solve the whole game and finish it WITHOUT HAVING A FRIGGIN IDEA of what was happening.

Foebane · 14 August 2019, 10:06

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Originally Posted by rsn8887

Barbarian (Psygnosis) - controls were unusable to me
Damocles/Mercenary 3 - Even with the manual, I couldn't figure these games out.

I never played Barbarian by Psygnosis, but I saw screenshots of the game long before I had an Amiga myself, and I was baffled as to how anyone would play the game with the mouse (all the controls are on-screen).

As for Mercenary/Damocles, I LOVE these games! I must've played them for WEEKS of total game time, and they were totally engrossing with the exploration. I even made elaborate maps of Mercenary, which was needed with the mazes of corridors below the hangars, and I completed the game that way. I don't think I ever completed Second City, however. Damocles was much better, and I loved some of the imagery of the planetsets and sunsets and so forth, with the comet being visible adding extra atmosphere to an already atmospheric game! But again, for some reason, when it came to Mercenary 3, I lost interest early on. I think it's because the worlds were populated, and the difficulty in getting around (extortionate taxi fares, etc).

haynor666 · 14 August 2019, 19:38

Cadaver - I didn't even pass single screen. I simply years ago I didn't know what to do.

Settlers - first contact was dissapointing but luckily later we figured with some guys how to play (crack naturally without manual) and it turns to be the best game on amiga.

Mega lo Mania - I still don't know how to play, maybe I should finally give it a chance.

Exile AGA - I dind't know at the beginning what to.

Shatterhand · 14 August 2019, 19:46

Megalomania is SO MUCH SIMPLER than The Settlers. If you figured out The Settlers you surely can do it with Megalomania

haynor666 · 14 August 2019, 21:23

I think You have right but I never try to understand this game, dummo why I left this game.

van_dammesque · 14 August 2019, 21:53

Mega lo Mania one of the best AMiga games ever! Worth looking at a youtube video to learn to play, quite simple but complex at the same time

DamienD · 14 August 2019, 22:48

Yeah, I did really enjoy Mega lo Mania back in the day.

Probably wouldn't know how to play it now though, but from memory wasn't that difficult to grasp.

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05 June 2019, 19:52	#281
rsn8887 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,063	Eye of the Storm - no clue what was going on, also very scary Barbarian (Psygnosis) - controls were unusable to me Killing Cloud - I owned the original, read the manual, still couldn't get anywhere in the game Midwinter - Never could get anywhere, I owned the manual, still didn't help. Head over Heels - As a little child, I never understood this game correctly. Once I had the manual and the Amiga version as a teenager, I was still confused. Many rooms seemed impossible. Nathan Never - What is this game? How to get past the first few rooms? A mystery. Damocles/Mercenary 3 - Even with the manual, I couldn't figure these games out.

10 July 2019, 13:28	#282
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	Midwinter 2, set sex appeal to max and then on every island look for someone of the opposite sex to seduce... aka the James Bond method. Frontier was supposed to be played as a trader or pirate I guess, but I mostly looked for ways to cheat the system. On UFO I got fed up and hex edited the save file to boost my team's stats. Syndicate was probably supposed to be played with cunning and skill, but it was easier to hide 8 miniguns under your trench coat and just brute force every mission. There was an assassination job where some guy was giving a speech. Obviously you were supposed to use the sniper rifle or laser, but the gauss gun was more fun. On Lionheart I got stuck trying to get on to the ship because I couldn't figure out how to make the platform swing far enough to make the jump. In Xenon 2 there was a section where there was a near infinite supply of money if you kept reversing the screen scrolling enough. The amateur riders in No Second Prize can be knocked over if you are careful, and with some skill you can use them to take out your competitors! In Dune II you get missile launcher units. Their range is exactly 1 square further than any base defence so you can just park them exactly one screen length away and let them slowly destroy the enemy base with impunity. Some levels in Robocop end with a fight against ED209. You can use your gun or you can just jump and punch it in the face. Due to crap coding your punches are like a chainsaw and do massive damage every frame. It's usually easier to just shoot it though. Sidewinder has an autofire power-up you can collect, but I always used the joystick's autofire function. In fact a Zip Stick's autofire is so fast that it causes your shots to become invisible because the sprites for them overlap (it re-used the same sprite multiple times). In the PD game Master Blaster you can do an infinite bomb chain that is very hard to avoid. You need to have collected a decent number of bombs and speed power ups. Plant one bomb, wait a couple of seconds and then run away from it leaving a trail of bombs behind you. They will detonate in sequence and your opponent will have a hard time avoiding them, or stopping you for that matter.

10 August 2019, 17:34	#285
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	Diggers I still don’t know

13 August 2019, 04:19	#289
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Exile . Everyone always said this game is incredible and awesome. When I finally got it and played it, all the time I was "What the hell am I supposed to do? I fly around, cool... and?" Without a manual that game is impossible.

13 August 2019, 13:55	#291
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,071	Just checked this topic, I thought I replied to something similar long time ago (more than 10 years...) Some games I never figured out how to play: Sleepwalker (never completed first level, if there is something like level there ) Lost Patrol (I usually get lost in this game , had copy - no manual) Cadaver (one of games I got with Amiga 500+ pack, never figured out how to play it ) Robocop 3 - was this really a game?? One of my favorite things was to figure out how to play game, but those 4 I just could not figure out. Had manuals only for Cadaver, tho.

14 August 2019, 00:14	#294
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Back when I was a kid I had lots of free time to figure out games. I still find amazing how I learned to play Elite and played it for so many hours without have a goddamn manual or guide for it. Or how I finished Jagur on MSX without knowing one word of japanese. I still have no idea of what the storyline is about on that game or why the heck I had to buy lots of stuff to a girl who then would try to kill me, or why I was setting fire to all those trees or why on a certain area the villagers tried to kill me.... but I figured out how to solve the whole game and finish it WITHOUT HAVING A FRIGGIN IDEA of what was happening.

14 August 2019, 19:38	#296
haynor666 retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 1,772	Cadaver - I didn't even pass single screen. I simply years ago I didn't know what to do. Settlers - first contact was dissapointing but luckily later we figured with some guys how to play (crack naturally without manual) and it turns to be the best game on amiga. Mega lo Mania - I still don't know how to play, maybe I should finally give it a chance. Exile AGA - I dind't know at the beginning what to.

14 August 2019, 19:46	#297
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Megalomania is SO MUCH SIMPLER than The Settlers. If you figured out The Settlers you surely can do it with Megalomania

14 August 2019, 21:23	#298
haynor666 retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 1,772	I think You have right but I never try to understand this game, dummo why I left this game.

14 August 2019, 21:53	#299
van_dammesque Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: England Posts: 232	Mega lo Mania one of the best AMiga games ever! Worth looking at a youtube video to learn to play, quite simple but complex at the same time

14 August 2019, 22:48	#300
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Yeah, I did really enjoy Mega lo Mania back in the day. Probably wouldn't know how to play it now though, but from memory wasn't that difficult to grasp.

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