Tiny Launcher 1.0 Released - Page 14

olesio · 28 November 2011, 17:30

Thank you for credits. Everything works fine and exe file have nice sice 232232 bytes

gibs · 28 November 2011, 22:57

Yes, I have noticed yesterday

pmc · 29 November 2011, 08:55

232232 bytes is nice, but as this is a Tiny

Launcher maybe 148496 bytes is nicer?

I was curious to see what would happen so I compressed TinyLauncher with ProPack.

Check the attached - takes a little longer to start than the original because of the extra time needed for decrunch but is only 64% of its size.

gibs · 29 November 2011, 11:26

Back in time, I would have compressed it but nowadays it's useless considering the price of the media storage

pmc · 29 November 2011, 12:22

Bamiga2002 · 29 November 2011, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibs

I hope this one is bug-free : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1566495/Tiny...uncher18b8.exe

KGWHD demoscene ? or demo games ?
You seems the only one interested

Hey, I'm interested too! Just watching this on the side...

gibs · 30 November 2011, 02:12

@Bamiga2002 hehehe

Well here is a new screen I'm working on (video):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1566495/Tiny...r/IMG_3979.mp4

amiman99 · 05 December 2011, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Hey, I'm interested too! Just watching this on the side...

Me too, just keep finding bugs and work on improvements

your efforts are appreciated.
In near future I will install it on my A600 with ACA630.

mahen · 09 December 2011, 20:50

Salut Gibs ! Very cool & useful launcher, thanks a lot for your work :-)

May I ask you a few questions with some ideas ?

1) Important one for me ;-) Is it possible to make "screens transitions / animations" faster than they are today ? I guess I'm not patient enough ;-)

2) Would it be possible to have pictures that look "less retro" for games / demos / etc., more in the style of the demoscene for instance ? The current ones are cool, but don't pay justice to the Amiga ;-)

3) Would it be possible to auto-load a module file ? <-- would be pretty awesome

4) Would it be possible to make the sound effects less loud / less agressive ?

5) Would it be possible to have more categories (custom ones ?) than just "ECS" and "AGA" ? Maybe game genres like action / strategy / shmup... ?

6) Would it be possible to show previews (or the icon maybe ?) of the currently selected game, when the user releases the joystick for one second (not to slow down the menu) ?

7) is it possible to add an option not to exit TinyLauncher when starting a game, so that, after exiting the game, you don't have to reload TinyLauncher in order to make things slightly faster ?

8) Is it possible to force WHDLOAD to use the same "exit" key all the time and other useful options ?

Well, many ideas, but it's already pretty cool the way it is, thanks & keep up the great work

Definitely great to use the Amiga in a Arcade Cabinet !

olesio · 09 December 2011, 21:33

I'm not GIBS, but I can reply my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by torturedutopian

3) Would it be possible to auto-load a module file ? <-- would be pretty awesome

Good idea.

Quote:

5) Would it be possible to have more categories (custom ones ?) than just "ECS" and "AGA" ? Maybe game genres like action / strategy / shmup... ?

Not needed in my opinion, as far as I remember other launcher can do that.

Quote:

8) Is it possible to force WHDLOAD to use the same "exit" key all the time and other useful options ?

Use S:WHDLoad.prefs file a following tooltype in this file: QuitKey=$59 Quits as F10 key, more information you can find in WHDLoad documentation.

gibs · 09 December 2011, 23:47

1/ yes I can add this feature.
2/ I plan to switch the demo (maybe by the Devil from the Doc demo)
3/ Yes it's already in the code since 1.4, but not activated (Why? because I needed to try on a real A500 with 1MB of RAM).
5/I'm working on something more interesting. you'll see.
7/ I could but from the beginning, Tiny launcher is for low memory computers.

Thanks for your appreciation.

mahen · 10 December 2011, 10:31

Gibs : pretty cool, thanks !

mahen · 10 December 2011, 13:21

Oh by the way, I have an issue : I run TinyLauncher at the beginning of my startup-sequence, and after exiting a game I get an error similar to "Device not found" (I'll double check to give you the exact error message). And, thus, for some reason, I cannot store the return code to check if TL was exited or if a game was exited and thus if it has to be put in a "loop" or if I can carry on loading the Workbench.

I get the same error when I start TL without startup sequence. (I don't get the error if I exit TL without selecting a game).

A last question : is it normal that the "workbench screen" appears for a fraction of a second if I start TL at the beginning of the startup-sequence ? Shouldn't the screen remain black all the time ?

Cheers & thanks again !

BTW : I have a 2 MB A1200, ATM, with a modified "3.9 rom" which seems to eat more memory (many things preloaded, like Kingcon etc. even with no startup sequence ;-)" and really few games (even ECS ones) work. Well, it's not your fault

olesio · 10 December 2011, 14:18

@:torturedutopian: try following code (change DH1:Path to your TinyLaunhcer Path)

Code:

assign >NIL: T: RAM:
assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:

IF EXISTS S:tl_startup
  execute S:tl_startup
EndIf

LAB LOADTL
set >NIL: Reply `DH1:TINYLAUNCHER/TinyLauncher.exe`
IF $Reply not eq "5"
  skip LOADTL BACK
EndIf

A S:tl_startup file contain only

Code:

assign >NIL: TLGECS: DH1:GAMES/!ECS

because I'm using TLGECS: in some *.tl script for few games to change directory to it. I own real Amiga 1200 with 3.0 kickstart, 4 MB Ram Extension and Classic WB Lite installed. I got only error about CON: process when I executed set command without ">nil:". So are you sure you do not have something wrong in your startup-sequence file after executing Tiny Launcher? I'm not OS 3.9 expert because I never use it, but maybe it is something wrong with your system components. Try the same config and system installed under WinUAE to easyiest debug process than real Amiga. But maybe I'm wrong and someone other here can help you better in this case.

mahen · 10 December 2011, 14:39

Actually my "ROM 3.9" is just a ROM 3.1 with some built-in patches like kingcon etc. ; it has nothing to do with AOS 3.9

So when using your script, it makes no difference actually, I was doing the same thing.

- If I quit TL directly, I get "Error in command name" and the startup sequence stops (just after calling TL, then)
- If I quit a whdload game I get :

"Device not available. DH1:Games/Games/TinyLauncher/TinyLauncher.exe returncode 20
Error in command name"

Thanks for your reply !
Cheers

mahen · 10 December 2011, 14:46

Also, in the "Mods player" I noticed some filenames were truncated (I use the "library mode"). If I select them and move to a different page, it leads to a crash.

Finally, some .mod file are not played properly, but I guess you cannot do anything about it, it's due to the library AMOS calls to play mods

Cheers !

gibs · 10 December 2011, 22:26

1/ Refresh the library by pressing F1 if you update your files.
2/ it's a protracker player, so open the files with protracker and save them again.

Lobotomika · 12 December 2011, 16:21

TBH I'm not following this project for two pages but I'm not ashamed to say that I think it may be a good idea to split this project into two forks:

TinyLauncher and gibslauncher then add non essential features to the latter while keeping the Tiny one well... tiny (in features, not talking about file size here)

And by features I mean just game/demo slave launching without weird folder limitations.

Edit: tried the latest version now and decided I were a bit pessimistic while writing this. It still seems to be in the tiny and cool territory for now but I'm still worried that it's about to change

gibs · 13 December 2011, 21:25

Here is the 1.8.2: http://aminet.net/util/misc/TinyLauncher182.lzh

It can now play a music module at launch.
(just put mod called 'TLMusic.mod' in S:TinyLauncher/

Also if someone want to purpose a gfx for the demo menu, so Lobotomika won't call it uglylauncher again ^^

mombasajoe · 14 December 2011, 15:13

Does it also work on a stock CD32 as a games compilation CD with fast navigation?

29 November 2011, 08:55	#263
pmc gone Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: completely gone Posts: 1,596	232232 bytes is nice, but as this is a Tiny Launcher maybe 148496 bytes is nicer? I was curious to see what would happen so I compressed TinyLauncher with ProPack. Check the attached - takes a little longer to start than the original because of the extra time needed for decrunch but is only 64% of its size. Last edited by pmc; 04 August 2012 at 11:56.

09 December 2011, 20:50	#269
mahen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Age: 41 Posts: 467	Salut Gibs ! Very cool & useful launcher, thanks a lot for your work :-) May I ask you a few questions with some ideas ? 1) Important one for me ;-) Is it possible to make "screens transitions / animations" faster than they are today ? I guess I'm not patient enough ;-) 2) Would it be possible to have pictures that look "less retro" for games / demos / etc., more in the style of the demoscene for instance ? The current ones are cool, but don't pay justice to the Amiga ;-) 3) Would it be possible to auto-load a module file ? <-- would be pretty awesome 4) Would it be possible to make the sound effects less loud / less agressive ? 5) Would it be possible to have more categories (custom ones ?) than just "ECS" and "AGA" ? Maybe game genres like action / strategy / shmup... ? 6) Would it be possible to show previews (or the icon maybe ?) of the currently selected game, when the user releases the joystick for one second (not to slow down the menu) ? 7) is it possible to add an option not to exit TinyLauncher when starting a game, so that, after exiting the game, you don't have to reload TinyLauncher in order to make things slightly faster ? 8) Is it possible to force WHDLOAD to use the same "exit" key all the time and other useful options ? Well, many ideas, but it's already pretty cool the way it is, thanks & keep up the great work Definitely great to use the Amiga in a Arcade Cabinet ! Last edited by mahen; 09 December 2011 at 20:56.

10 December 2011, 13:21	#273
mahen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Age: 41 Posts: 467	Oh by the way, I have an issue : I run TinyLauncher at the beginning of my startup-sequence, and after exiting a game I get an error similar to "Device not found" (I'll double check to give you the exact error message). And, thus, for some reason, I cannot store the return code to check if TL was exited or if a game was exited and thus if it has to be put in a "loop" or if I can carry on loading the Workbench. I get the same error when I start TL without startup sequence. (I don't get the error if I exit TL without selecting a game). A last question : is it normal that the "workbench screen" appears for a fraction of a second if I start TL at the beginning of the startup-sequence ? Shouldn't the screen remain black all the time ? Cheers & thanks again ! BTW : I have a 2 MB A1200, ATM, with a modified "3.9 rom" which seems to eat more memory (many things preloaded, like Kingcon etc. even with no startup sequence ;-)" and really few games (even ECS ones) work. Well, it's not your fault Last edited by mahen; 10 December 2011 at 13:29.

10 December 2011, 14:18	#274
olesio Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 337	@:torturedutopian: try following code (change DH1:Path to your TinyLaunhcer Path) Code: assign >NIL: T: RAM: assign >NIL: ENV: RAM: IF EXISTS S:tl_startup execute S:tl_startup EndIf LAB LOADTL set >NIL: Reply `DH1:TINYLAUNCHER/TinyLauncher.exe` IF $Reply not eq "5" skip LOADTL BACK EndIf A S:tl_startup file contain only Code: assign >NIL: TLGECS: DH1:GAMES/!ECS because I'm using TLGECS: in some *.tl script for few games to change directory to it. I own real Amiga 1200 with 3.0 kickstart, 4 MB Ram Extension and Classic WB Lite installed. I got only error about CON: process when I executed set command without ">nil:". So are you sure you do not have something wrong in your startup-sequence file after executing Tiny Launcher? I'm not OS 3.9 expert because I never use it, but maybe it is something wrong with your system components. Try the same config and system installed under WinUAE to easyiest debug process than real Amiga. But maybe I'm wrong and someone other here can help you better in this case.

10 December 2011, 14:39	#275
mahen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Age: 41 Posts: 467	Actually my "ROM 3.9" is just a ROM 3.1 with some built-in patches like kingcon etc. ; it has nothing to do with AOS 3.9 So when using your script, it makes no difference actually, I was doing the same thing. - If I quit TL directly, I get "Error in command name" and the startup sequence stops (just after calling TL, then) - If I quit a whdload game I get : "Device not available. DH1:Games/Games/TinyLauncher/TinyLauncher.exe returncode 20 Error in command name" Thanks for your reply ! Cheers Last edited by mahen; 10 December 2011 at 14:58.

28 November 2011, 17:30	#261
olesio Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 337	Thank you for credits. Everything works fine and exe file have nice sice 232232 bytes

28 November 2011, 22:57	#262
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	Yes, I have noticed yesterday

29 November 2011, 11:26	#264
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	Back in time, I would have compressed it but nowadays it's useless considering the price of the media storage

29 November 2011, 12:22	#265
pmc gone Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: completely gone Posts: 1,596

30 November 2011, 02:12	#267
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	@Bamiga2002 hehehe Well here is a new screen I'm working on (video): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1566495/Tiny...r/IMG_3979.mp4

09 December 2011, 23:47	#271
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	1/ yes I can add this feature. 2/ I plan to switch the demo (maybe by the Devil from the Doc demo) 3/ Yes it's already in the code since 1.4, but not activated (Why? because I needed to try on a real A500 with 1MB of RAM). 5/I'm working on something more interesting. you'll see. 7/ I could but from the beginning, Tiny launcher is for low memory computers. Thanks for your appreciation.

10 December 2011, 10:31	#272
mahen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Age: 41 Posts: 467	Gibs : pretty cool, thanks !

10 December 2011, 14:46	#276
mahen Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Age: 41 Posts: 467	Also, in the "Mods player" I noticed some filenames were truncated (I use the "library mode"). If I select them and move to a different page, it leads to a crash. Finally, some .mod file are not played properly, but I guess you cannot do anything about it, it's due to the library AMOS calls to play mods Cheers !

10 December 2011, 22:26	#277
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	1/ Refresh the library by pressing F1 if you update your files. 2/ it's a protracker player, so open the files with protracker and save them again.

12 December 2011, 16:21	#278
Lobotomika Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: in the past and present Posts: 122	TBH I'm not following this project for two pages but I'm not ashamed to say that I think it may be a good idea to split this project into two forks: TinyLauncher and gibslauncher then add non essential features to the latter while keeping the Tiny one well... tiny (in features, not talking about file size here) And by features I mean just game/demo slave launching without weird folder limitations. Edit: tried the latest version now and decided I were a bit pessimistic while writing this. It still seems to be in the tiny and cool territory for now but I'm still worried that it's about to change Last edited by Lobotomika; 12 December 2011 at 19:49.

13 December 2011, 21:25	#279
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	Here is the 1.8.2: http://aminet.net/util/misc/TinyLauncher182.lzh It can now play a music module at launch. (just put mod called 'TLMusic.mod' in S:TinyLauncher/ Also if someone want to purpose a gfx for the demo menu, so Lobotomika won't call it uglylauncher again ^^

14 December 2011, 15:13	#280
mombasajoe Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: D Age: 49 Posts: 528	Does it also work on a stock CD32 as a games compilation CD with fast navigation?

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