Searching for Sherlock Holmes - Consulting Detective CDTV

[mr.vince]

I must contact them... bought the product 15 years ago... maybe they can give me the key. Don't feel like buying it again.

Is your "Yeah!" a sign for the fact that it worked somehow?

[Toni Wilen]

How does CDRWin help if CUE format does not support MODE2 FORM0 tracks? And even if CDRWin does support it (using some semi-undocumented cue flag?), it still won't help if no today's software support it. It still would be pointless "WinUAE-only" image. At least ccd image works via Daemon Tools + WinUAE and it can be burned and used in real CDTV too.

[mr.vince]

Toni, CDRWin was able to do things that weren't standard compliant (I think the 2 sec pause was also one of those), I haven't tried it. The last version is from 2008, so I think it still works with at least some modern burners.

But if CCD image works... fine. Case solved.

[demoniac]

Originally Posted by andreas

Good idea...or Exact Audio Copy?

EAC does not work w/ data tracks.

Originally Posted by andreas

@mr.vince Yeah, CDRWin!

CDRWin does burn 1x w/o key.

According to the CDRWin 4.0 help:

The following datatypes are allowed...

AUDIO       - Audio/Music (2352)
CDG         - Karaoke CD+G (2448)
MODE1/2048  - CDROM Mode1 Data (cooked)
MODE1/2352  - CDROM Mode1 Data (raw)
MODE2/2336  - CDROM-XA Mode2 Data
MODE2/2352  - CDROM-XA Mode2 Data
CDI/2336    - CDI Mode2 Data
CDI/2352    - CDI Mode2 Data


Supported datatypes and blocksizes by recorder model...

AUDIO  AUDIO  MODE1  MODE1  MODE2  MODE2
2352   2448   2048   2352   2336   2352

------------------------------------------------------
JVC       | Yes    No     Yes    No     Yes    No
OLYMPUS   | Yes    No     Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes
PANASONIC | Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes
PHILIPS   | Yes    No     No     Yes    No     Yes
PINNACLE  | Yes    No     Yes    No     Yes    No
RICOH     | Yes    No     No     Yes    No     Yes
SONY      | Yes    No     Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes
YAMAHA    | Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes    Yes

[demoniac]

One more thing, I remembered that Alcohol 120% accepts CCDs and can make cue/bin as output. Since I no longer have this installed, Wiki confirms it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol...ted_File_Types

[andreas]

Originally Posted by mr.vince

Toni, CDRWin was able to do things that weren't standard compliant (I think the 2 sec pause was also one of those)

Oops yes, THAT was my "Yeah!" for, sorry for the confusion
In the sense of "ah, great times of fiddling with obscure settings 'til the dead of night "

[[idoru]]

Originally Posted by musashi5150

"CD image was ripped from an original Amiga CDTV Sherlock Holmes CD on a PC using the Plextor 755A + special 0xD8 command and [COLOR=#120200]my own PC ripping software."

Multiple copies of Sherlock Holmes have been ripped and are matching - we purposely bought several copies of this game to work with. My copy was ripped on a Plextor PX-760A with standard firmware. Out of the currently existing burning programs only CloneCD seems to be able to make a working disc (although it can't create a working image from an original disc).

This working Sherlock Holmes image is a by-product of what members of TOSEC-ISO/associates (which obviously includes truman ) have been working on for awhile now - it's been far from quiet, even if it has looked that way publically. Lots more good stuff to come soon(ish)...there has been (& still is) an awful lot of time consuming work though so we can't be specific about timescales.

[Omolungo]

So, in conclusion, what is the right way to have a masterized copy of the game woarking on a real cdtv?

I'd like to play this game on my CDTV

[Omolungo]

I've burned the iso with Clonecd following the instructio in the readme:

"Burn with CloneCD by using a New Profile with these settings:

Don't Repair Subs: Ticked
Weak: Ignore"

When i put it in the CDTV it load, but after the first screen (The ICOM logo with the lens) it stops to run and I have a black screen.

Could it depend on the fatc I have a 68010 cpu installed in my CDTV (the game could be incompatible)?

[[idoru]]

Did you close the disc session ?

I haven't got CloneCD installed atm, but i'll install it & re-setup my CDTV at the weekend & have another look.

[Omolungo]

I tried Alcohol 120 closing the session: in that case the cd didn't load anyway.

With Clonecd it loads the first screen and then it stops.

I'll try to burn another cd in few days, let me know if your copy works fine, and which program hav you used

[[idoru]]

I've just installed CloneCD v5.3.1.4 & burnt the image to a CD-R &, from a few minutes playtesting on a real CDTV, it seems to be working fine here (as previously).

Alcohol will not produce a working disc. At the moment, you must burn with CloneCD & you must make sure you create a new image profile with the Don't Repair Subchannel Data option set to ticked & the Weak Sectors option set to "ignore", the disc session option should already default to always close. Burning the image with one of the pre-set image profiles (eg. Game, Protected PC Game etc) will not produce a working disc.

I also downloaded the image from the EAB server to double check it's contents & make sure nothing was wrong in the uploaded archive. Burning a disc from this image was also successful on my real CDTV using the same CloneCD setup as above.

[andreas]

Originally Posted by [idoru]

I've just installed CloneCD v5.3.1.4 & burnt the image to a CD-R &, from a few minutes playtesting on a real CDTV, it seems to be working fine here (as previously).

Hmm. Another stab in the dark: it might also depend on the quality of blanks used.
Maybe if you burn onto a super-cheapo blank, it won't make the game work till the end...?

[Omolungo]

It should depend of the 68010 installed in my CDTV?

Your CDTV has the original 68000 cpu installed?

[Toni Wilen]

Game now works in latest WinUAE beta with above CCD image mounted in Daemon Tools without extra video track files. (remember to remove them first)

I can also confirm CCD image burned with CloneCD working fine on my CDTV.

[Omolungo]

Ok, I'll try to burn another time the iso wih clone, if it will not work I'll try to replace the 68000 cpu in my CDTV, if it will no work again than it will mean that's a problem of my cd-rom burner.

[[idoru]]

Thanks for another confirmation Toni - & good news about WinUAE support

Omolungo: It could be the 68010, when I tried burning discs with other burn options during testing the game always froze at the main menu (after the ICOM logo & title screen) rather than at a black screen (on a 68000).

andreas: I don't think the CDTV is that picky about the quality of discs, although if they're really cheap discs burning them at a slower speed might help. Having said that, my burns were all on Verbatim discs though.

[Omolungo]

Originally Posted by [idoru]

Omolungo: It could be the 68010, when I tried burning discs with other burn options during testing the game always froze at the main menu (after the ICOM logo & title screen) rather than at a black screen (on a 68000).

As it happens to me.
I'll try to replace the old 68000.

Bwt I also burn the iso on verbatim cd

[Omolungo]

Nothing to do: I replaced the 68000 cpu but it doesn't work.
I tried to burn it again with CloneCD and the set up you said me, but it always stop to load after the first screen of presentation.

I'll try to burn the image with another pc which has an old but good LG cd-recorder. If it will not work again, than I'll not know what also can be done.

Btw, I have an elbox cdtv memory expansion, but I don't think it's the problem

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by Omolungo

Nothing to do: I replaced the 68000 cpu but it doesn't work.
I tried to burn it again with CloneCD and the set up you said me, but it always stop to load after the first screen of presentation.

I'll try to burn the image with another pc which has an old but good LG cd-recorder. If it will not work again, than I'll not know what also can be done.

Btw, I have an elbox cdtv memory expansion, but I don't think it's the problem

Could you try running this program: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=32903 Perhaps there are some firmware versions that don't like this CD? (Highly unlikely but even stranger things have happened..)

I have 8M Elbox expansion, game still works fine.