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BarryB · 05 September 2012, 22:29

YAY!!! It's an Indi ECS

mr.vince · 05 September 2012, 22:33

See, that's progress.

BarryB · 05 September 2012, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

See, that's progress.

Send me one to test, PLEASE!!!

kipper2k · 05 September 2012, 23:25

looking good

. What about action replay sitting at $400000, can you get around the conflicts to get action replay 3 working ?

Mrs Beanbag · 06 September 2012, 00:05

Wow, this is really awesome news!

Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot?

Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

kipper2k · 06 September 2012, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

Wow, this is really awesome news!

Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot?

Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

2 rows of 32 pins on the left side that plug into the cpu socket

Mrs Beanbag · 06 September 2012, 00:20

oh yes I see that on the prototype, but the real thing seems only to have contacts with no pins soldered in?

I didn't realise until looking it up just now exactly how limited the A600's trapdoor expansion slot was, it seems you have no access to CPU signals there

oh well. Apparently accelerator cards had to piggy back the CPU, how they managed that on a surface-mount chip I don't know.

kipper2k · 06 September 2012, 01:05

It's nice to see new HW for the old girl, i am going to forecast an upsurge in the sales of Indi ECS so buy now b4 they all gone (I did

gibs · 06 September 2012, 14:30

in overall it's going to be more powerful than the Archimedes....

kipper2k · 07 September 2012, 16:16

@Mr Vince,

Can you post a pdf of the actuual size of the board so i can see location of the cpu pin header

thanks

BvdW · 09 September 2012, 14:53

Epic!! Dibs on one for my A500 in the first production run.. pretty please ;-)

Mustangjeff · 09 September 2012, 19:16

This is probably a dumb question, but I'm curious why some of these new accelerators are using derivatives of the old 68000 cpu vs 68030/68040/68060?

Is this a case where the 68000 is still in production and easily obtainable due to it's use in embedded systems, and the other CPU's are not being produced? Or, is it a case where implementation of the 32bit model cpu's increases the cost/complexity by a wide margin?

Mrs Beanbag · 09 September 2012, 19:39

All the 680x0 series are internally 32 bit, it's only the external interface that differs. If anything, dropping down to 16 bit for 32 bit data access should be the more difficult!

Physical 68000s are still available new, I think. All the others are increasingly difficult to get hold of.

Leffmann · 09 September 2012, 20:29

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

Mustangjeff · 10 September 2012, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

So 90 british pounds = 112 Euro.

The ACA500 would be 200 Euro ($256 usd) for an 060 based card. Sounds like a steal

jiffy · 10 September 2012, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustangjeff

So 90 british pounds = 112 Euro.

No, 90 Euro is most likely 90 Euro. :-)

Mind the '€' sign Leffmann uses... ;-)

Lord Aga · 10 September 2012, 09:10

Ah yes, but how much is that in euros

Anyway, be it 90 EUR or 90 EUR, it is still cheap. How much could the rest of the card cost, 200 EUR ? 300 ? Still ok. Of course, the know-how could be a bigger hurdle here. Not so easy to scrap together such a card.

Mrs Beanbag · 10 September 2012, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leffmann

You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

I have seen them on Ebay used for £50 or so (but claimed tested and working), and Farnell has them listed for about £250... hmm...

Just found this:
http://www.plccenter.co.uk/Shop/FREE...EC060RC50/FNFP

Leffmann · 10 September 2012, 23:29

Yes but this is the EC, which has neither the MMU nor the (limited) FPU. This is the cheapest one at almost €100 which was my point - they're insanely expensive. If you want the 68060RC50 which has both MMU and FPU then you're looking at several hundreds of euros.

Smakar · 10 September 2012, 23:46

I don't know if this is the official pre-order site, but I will definitely be buying one.

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05 September 2012, 22:29	#261
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,759	YAY!!! It's an Indi ECS

05 September 2012, 22:33	#262
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	See, that's progress.

05 September 2012, 23:25	#264
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	looking good . What about action replay sitting at $400000, can you get around the conflicts to get action replay 3 working ?

06 September 2012, 00:05	#265
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	Wow, this is really awesome news! Not for me personally, unfortunately, because I only use A1200s but this is still brilliant. Maybe you could do one for an A600 that goes in the trapdoor slot? Are there any pictures of it actually attached to the motherboard? I don't see how it connects from looking at the pictures.

06 September 2012, 00:20	#267
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	oh yes I see that on the prototype, but the real thing seems only to have contacts with no pins soldered in? I didn't realise until looking it up just now exactly how limited the A600's trapdoor expansion slot was, it seems you have no access to CPU signals there oh well. Apparently accelerator cards had to piggy back the CPU, how they managed that on a surface-mount chip I don't know.

06 September 2012, 01:05	#268
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	It's nice to see new HW for the old girl, i am going to forecast an upsurge in the sales of Indi ECS so buy now b4 they all gone (I did

06 September 2012, 14:30	#269
gibs Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: france Posts: 932	in overall it's going to be more powerful than the Archimedes....

07 September 2012, 16:16	#270
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	@Mr Vince, Can you post a pdf of the actuual size of the board so i can see location of the cpu pin header thanks

09 September 2012, 14:53	#271
BvdW Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 11	Epic!! Dibs on one for my A500 in the first production run.. pretty please ;-)

09 September 2012, 19:16	#272
Mustangjeff Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Wisconsin - USA Posts: 19	This is probably a dumb question, but I'm curious why some of these new accelerators are using derivatives of the old 68000 cpu vs 68030/68040/68060? Is this a case where the 68000 is still in production and easily obtainable due to it's use in embedded systems, and the other CPU's are not being produced? Or, is it a case where implementation of the 32bit model cpu's increases the cost/complexity by a wide margin?

09 September 2012, 19:39	#273
Mrs Beanbag Glastonbridge Software Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Edinburgh/Scotland Posts: 2,243	All the 680x0 series are internally 32 bit, it's only the external interface that differs. If anything, dropping down to 16 bit for 32 bit data access should be the more difficult! Physical 68000s are still available new, I think. All the others are increasingly difficult to get hold of.

09 September 2012, 20:29	#274
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	You can still purchase certified new 680x0 from various distributors, but the prices are very high. The 68EC060RC50 f.ex costs like €90 a piece.

10 September 2012, 09:10	#277
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Ah yes, but how much is that in euros Anyway, be it 90 EUR or 90 EUR, it is still cheap. How much could the rest of the card cost, 200 EUR ? 300 ? Still ok. Of course, the know-how could be a bigger hurdle here. Not so easy to scrap together such a card.

10 September 2012, 23:29	#279
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	Yes but this is the EC, which has neither the MMU nor the (limited) FPU. This is the cheapest one at almost €100 which was my point - they're insanely expensive. If you want the 68060RC50 which has both MMU and FPU then you're looking at several hundreds of euros.

10 September 2012, 23:46	#280
Smakar Amiga Fan in Phoenix Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ USA Age: 66 Posts: 60	I don't know if this is the official pre-order site, but I will definitely be buying one.

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