English Amiga Board


Go Back   English Amiga Board > News

 
 
Thread Tools
Old 24 May 2024, 04:20   #261
klx300r
Registered User
 
klx300r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: ManCave, Canada
Posts: 1,627
@ AgedCode

here's the feedback from Jens on setting up a screen of 320 x 260 pixels for my IndivisionAGA-MK2cr:

Unfortunately, no, as the AGA MK2 versions have the number of lines hardcoded in the FPGA. Back then, I've made a simple calculation method of only subtraction and bit shifting in order to get to a 4-bit value for the screenmode that's found. I have just opened that LO table and entered the 260 lines number, and it indeed ends up with a value of 2, which is an unknown screenmode between NTSC and PAL.

PAL is expected to have 287 lines, NTSC is expected to have 242 lines. If you want the flicker fixer to accept the screen mode as PAL, it must have at least 281 lines on the long frame.

Back when I specified the MK2 flicker fixer, I have also specified that the config tool shall be able to handle modes called "unknown 2", "unknown 12", "unknown 13" and so on. However, it's been over 12 years, and I haven't used the config tool in a very long time. So if you see a way to edit mode "unknown 2", that's the one you should give the same settings as your PAL output mode. That's the only hope you have for displaying such a non-standard screen mode.

You also might want to switch on the debug-line of the OSD - that will show the number of lines that's found, if I remember right.

For the MK3 version, we've made these numbers configurable. Maybe an MK3 user could run the software and see what config is required?

Bad news: Just found this comment in the source code of the config tool:

Code
  1. /* use ntsc mode for all illegal modes */

...so there is no way to edit the "unknown 2" mode.

One way might be to read the whole contents of the flash with the basic flash tool that was available before the GUI tool, then edit the last 4k of that file with a hex editor (copy the PAL entry over the "illegal" entry), and then flash the hacked file into the unit again. However, I don't even remember if that tool even allows reading the flash contents.

TBH, I don't want to spend the time for a piece of software that outputs a non-standard screen mode. If that software is still in development (did I get that right?), it's better to make it output a proper screenmode, rather than patching the config of a flickerfixer that was developed some 12 years ago.

Jens
klx300r is offline  
Old 24 May 2024, 05:17   #262
Aardvark
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Finland
Posts: 653
Quote:
Originally Posted by klx300r View Post
TBH, I don't want to spend the time for a piece of software that outputs a non-standard screen mode. If that software is still in development (did I get that right?), it's better to make it output a proper screenmode, rather than patching the config of a flickerfixer that was developed some 12 years ago.

Jens
"non-standard" yeah right. If the video displays correctly when plugged directly to old CRT TV, then that is the standard of which modern upscalers are expected to reach.
Aardvark is offline  
Old 24 May 2024, 08:19   #263
AgedCode
Game Developer
 
AgedCode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Germany
Posts: 41
Aardvark said it all

@klx300r I'll try to get an Indivision MK2 and explore the possibility of overcoming its design limitation through a custom solution. While a complete graphical overhaul or screen layout change isn't feasible, I have an initial idea for a targeted 'hack' to address this specific [hardware] issue.
AgedCode is offline  
Old 24 May 2024, 08:39   #264
klx300r
Registered User
 
klx300r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: ManCave, Canada
Posts: 1,627
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aardvark View Post
"non-standard" yeah right. If the video displays correctly when plugged directly to old CRT TV, then that is the standard of which modern upscalers are expected to reach.
This indeed makes sense to me

@ AgedCode

thanks I’ll be happy to test any work arounds
klx300r is offline  
Old 26 May 2024, 15:37   #265
mahen
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: France
Age: 41
Posts: 467
Much appreciated !! There are quite a few Indivision users around, including myself
mahen is offline  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Announcement regarding Amigaville Issue 4 zerohour1974 News 22 04 March 2016 16:02
Why is this announcement shown all the time? Amiga1992 project.EAB 7 28 October 2012 03:28
Important TOSEC Announcement Cassiel project.TOSEC (amiga only) 6 02 April 2012 18:42
IRC Chat announcement Djay project.IRC 6 29 October 2002 21:40

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:21.

Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Page generated in 0.07785 seconds with 14 queries