Old KGLoad Discussion - Page 13

Bloodwych · 12 November 2008, 14:27

Just a quick question KG. How much work is all the artwork and details proving for KGLoad?

I think you got the pics from the Gamebase/HOL archives, but you're not having to do any other work to them are you? How about the text descriptions?

Just can't help but think you've taken on a lot of work with this launcher and all the WHDLoad packs! I appreciate the effort of course, but I don't want our favorite Gorilla to burn out!

killergorilla · 12 November 2008, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

I mean the tooltypes, of course.

Saving all that precious info would speed things up a bit, not to mention we could edit the tooltypes with ease.

Why would it speed anything up? It takes a tiny, tiny fraction of a second to get the tooltypes and default tool from the info file. It'd probably take the exact same amount of time to access a text file. There's no point duplicating the same information.

For now you can edit the tooltypes of the icon. I'm not adding editing for icon files yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Just a quick question KG. How much work is all the artwork and details proving for KGLoad?

I think you got the pics from the Gamebase/HOL archives, but you're not having to do any other work to them are you? How about the text descriptions?

Just can't help but think you've taken on a lot of work with this launcher and all the WHDLoad packs! I appreciate the effort of course, but I don't want our favorite Gorilla to burn out!

All the game details are all in the database already, I did this a while back with the help of our lovely Belgarath. It took a while but it's all done now so no worries

As for the pics, Belg and the HOL Team said I could use the ones from HOL/Gamebase which I have all stored on my harddrive. I've got batch scripts to convert from png to iff and alter them to my palette which takes all of a few seconds to do, just need to ensure they have the correct names once they are converted.

Don't you worry mate!

Shoonay · 12 November 2008, 15:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Why would it speed anything up? It takes a tiny, tiny fraction of a second to get the tooltypes and default tool from the info file.

Yes, for one file

But let's multiply this by the number of all whdload games/demos, and the amount of time needed to access the drawers inside drawers, and... it takes a while even on a 030.

I just remember how annoying it was on some first version of iGame, and since your proggie is even more advanced, I'm just afraid... people will suffer

OK, not much of a programmerrer me iz, but I just assume loading a few thousand lines from a single text file would be faster then doing the same over and over again from the thousands of files on a HD itself.

killergorilla · 12 November 2008, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

Yes, for one file

But let's multiply this by the number of all whdload games/demos, and the amount of time needed to access the drawers inside drawers, and... it takes a while even on a 030.

I just remember how annoying it was on some first version of iGame, and since your proggie is even more advanced, I'm just afraid... people will suffer

OK, not much of a programmerrer me iz, but I just assume loading a few thousand lines from a single text file would be faster then doing the same over and over again from the thousands of files on a HD itself.

What are you talking about?

As I've said already, it only pulls the information from the icon file when you load the game. It does this once you press the fire button. It only does it for one file.

Shoonay · 12 November 2008, 15:25

Oh, now I get it! So it's got all the game's names and info hard-coded already?
I was thinking it first searches for those you actually have on your HD, and pulls all the games data at the start.

Damn, KG, I really need to try it to stop irritating you with silly questions...

killergorilla · 12 November 2008, 15:32

At last!

Yeah, the menu does no scanning of anything at all. The database contains information on the dir names and icon names for all of the games in my WHDLoad packs, so when you click on a game it knows where the icon is to grab the tooltypes, and then load the game.

Shoonay · 12 November 2008, 15:36

One more tiny question.
I've got all the directory&names structure from your packs, but I don't have all the games
I've deleted some, those I've already finished, those I don't like at all, etc.
Does that mean they're still going to be present in the proggie?

killergorilla · 12 November 2008, 15:40

In the beta, yes.

In the full version, no.

The full version comes with a scanner which builds the database from your specified game directories.

Whenever you add/remove games from your games dirs (such as when I release a new pack) you just run the scanner again.

If it's just a matter of adding/removing a single game, you could always edit the database file manually to add/remove a game. It's a standard text file.

Shoonay · 12 November 2008, 15:42

Awesome, great, thanks, no more questions for now - can't wait for the betatest!

lolafg · 09 December 2008, 10:47

Hello KG,
just a question , would it be possible to make it ECS/OCS compatible ?

Thanks.

killergorilla · 09 December 2008, 16:49

I plan on taking a look at an OCS/ECS version once I've finished the AGA one, but as always I can't guarantee how much time I will get to spend on it.

lolafg · 10 December 2008, 08:26

@KG , time is not a problem , the best thing is to know that you'll take a look at !!
Thank you very much !!

killergorilla · 10 December 2008, 09:45

Just a quick note...

I can get the menu running on an OCS/ECS machine very easily but currently it would need kickstart3.0 minimum. (Just requires me compiling a version with different screen settings).

Would you need it to work with kickstart2? If so, I can still take a look at it.

DDNI · 10 December 2008, 09:51

Hi KG a version to work on my 37.300 3MB (1MB Chip 2MB Fast) A600 would be fantastic...

killergorilla · 10 December 2008, 09:53

Ok, in future I'll definitely look at a ks2 build somewhere down the line.

lolafg · 10 December 2008, 10:33

@KG , i have a 3.1 rom with 2mo chip and 4mb pcmcia fast ram !!
As Bloodwich is making a classic workbench for the 3.1 rom , i think it would be better you do it for 3.1. A lot of people upgrade the A600 with this rom .
Thanks for you interest in ocs/ecs version !!

killergorilla · 10 December 2008, 10:41

Ah ok cool. When I release v1 of the AGA version I will also compile an OCS/ECS version which requires 3.0.

Once I'm happy with it all I'll look at the lower kickstart version.

lolafg · 10 December 2008, 10:44

@KG ,
thanks again , it's really a great new for A600's owners !!
It's christmas before christmas !!

DDNI · 10 December 2008, 10:47

not for my A600

lolafg · 10 December 2008, 11:02

Quote:

Once I'm happy with it all I'll look at the lower kickstart version.

KG will not forget you DDNI !!

12 November 2008, 14:27	#241
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Just a quick question KG. How much work is all the artwork and details proving for KGLoad? I think you got the pics from the Gamebase/HOL archives, but you're not having to do any other work to them are you? How about the text descriptions? Just can't help but think you've taken on a lot of work with this launcher and all the WHDLoad packs! I appreciate the effort of course, but I don't want our favorite Gorilla to burn out! Last edited by Bloodwych; 12 November 2008 at 14:36.

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12 November 2008, 15:25	#245
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,108	Oh, now I get it! So it's got all the game's names and info hard-coded already? I was thinking it first searches for those you actually have on your HD, and pulls all the games data at the start. Damn, KG, I really need to try it to stop irritating you with silly questions...

12 November 2008, 15:32	#246
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	At last! Yeah, the menu does no scanning of anything at all. The database contains information on the dir names and icon names for all of the games in my WHDLoad packs, so when you click on a game it knows where the icon is to grab the tooltypes, and then load the game.

12 November 2008, 15:36	#247
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,108	One more tiny question. I've got all the directory&names structure from your packs, but I don't have all the games I've deleted some, those I've already finished, those I don't like at all, etc. Does that mean they're still going to be present in the proggie?

12 November 2008, 15:40	#248
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	In the beta, yes. In the full version, no. The full version comes with a scanner which builds the database from your specified game directories. Whenever you add/remove games from your games dirs (such as when I release a new pack) you just run the scanner again. If it's just a matter of adding/removing a single game, you could always edit the database file manually to add/remove a game. It's a standard text file.

12 November 2008, 15:42	#249
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,108	Awesome, great, thanks, no more questions for now - can't wait for the betatest!

09 December 2008, 10:47	#250
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	Hello KG, just a question , would it be possible to make it ECS/OCS compatible ? Thanks.

09 December 2008, 16:49	#251
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I plan on taking a look at an OCS/ECS version once I've finished the AGA one, but as always I can't guarantee how much time I will get to spend on it.

10 December 2008, 08:26	#252
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	@KG , time is not a problem , the best thing is to know that you'll take a look at !! Thank you very much !!

10 December 2008, 09:45	#253
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Just a quick note... I can get the menu running on an OCS/ECS machine very easily but currently it would need kickstart3.0 minimum. (Just requires me compiling a version with different screen settings). Would you need it to work with kickstart2? If so, I can still take a look at it.

10 December 2008, 09:51	#254
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	Hi KG a version to work on my 37.300 3MB (1MB Chip 2MB Fast) A600 would be fantastic...

10 December 2008, 09:53	#255
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Ok, in future I'll definitely look at a ks2 build somewhere down the line.

10 December 2008, 10:33	#256
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	@KG , i have a 3.1 rom with 2mo chip and 4mb pcmcia fast ram !! As Bloodwich is making a classic workbench for the 3.1 rom , i think it would be better you do it for 3.1. A lot of people upgrade the A600 with this rom . Thanks for you interest in ocs/ecs version !!

10 December 2008, 10:41	#257
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Ah ok cool. When I release v1 of the AGA version I will also compile an OCS/ECS version which requires 3.0. Once I'm happy with it all I'll look at the lower kickstart version.

10 December 2008, 10:44	#258
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	@KG , thanks again , it's really a great new for A600's owners !! It's christmas before christmas !!

10 December 2008, 10:47	#259
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	not for my A600

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