American Laser Games (Mad Dog McCree and others) - Page 13

DamienD · 09 January 2017, 11:25

Heya Toni,

I've put this file in The Zone!

All_daphne_v0.99.3_romsets_except_starblazer.zip

Toni Wilen · 09 January 2017, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Heya Toni,

I've put this file in The Zone!

All_daphne_v0.99.3_romsets_except_starblazer.zip

Why? They don't have anything to do with Amiga.. (I assume they are original laserdisc arcade roms)

DamienD · 09 January 2017, 11:35

So I have 2 different "Dragon's Lair" files; not sure if they are of any use?

___________________________________________________________________________

First:

Code:

*******************************************************************************
                               Dragon's Lair
*******************************************************************************

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              General Information
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Type.................: Game (mpeg)
Platform.............: LaserDisc
Part Size............: 20.000.000
Number of Parts......: 74
Compression Format...: RAR
File Validation......: svf + par2

___________________________________________________________________________

Second:

Quote:

This is the Dragon's Lair Arcade Game MPEG set for use with the Daphne emulator.

www.daphne-emu.com

The MPEGs were created using the Digital Leisure Dragon's Lair DVDROM (version 1.0)
and the DVD2DAPHNE utility (Version 2.01) (by Vera Lanpher).

DamienD · 09 January 2017, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Why? They don't have anything to do with Amiga.. (I assume they are original laserdisc arcade roms)

Yeah I assume so...

I thought, just like you needed to added the "alg.zip" ROMs you would also need these. If not then no problem.

Toni Wilen · 09 January 2017, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Yeah I assume so...

I thought, just like you needed to added the "alg.zip" ROMs you would also need these. If not then no problem.

ALG = Arcade system that is based on Amiga hardware (Just like Arcadia). ROMs you attached has nothing to do with Amiga hardware.

DamienD · 09 January 2017, 12:19

Got it

AnnaWu · 09 January 2017, 13:08

Druidefix (Toni) is making a new magic potion.
I smell something ...

jwallace · 09 January 2017, 14:30

Are we sure that those SINGE files line up with real laserdiscs, they look like it's for convenience sake in many cases. If the video is there though and works...

I haven't forgotten about Mad Dog, It's just I'm trying to edit the sound as for some reason the DVD has the frames in the wrong order, and a dubbed on gunshot for no good reason.

Toni Wilen · 09 January 2017, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by earok

There is some software (ADF) for Dragon's Lair Laserdisc in TOSEC. Could that be used with WinUAE?

/Commodore_Amiga/TOSEC [2016-01-03]/Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2015-10-25_CM)/Dragon's Lair on Laserdisc - Control Program (1992)(Software Corner - LDG)[req. Pioneer CLD - laserdisc game].zip

/Commodore_Amiga/TOSEC [2016-01-03]/Commodore Amiga - Applications - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2015-10-25_CM)/Dragon's Lair on Laserdisc - Control Program (1992)(Software Corner - LDG)[req. Pioneer CLD - laserdisc game][AR freezed file].zip

Is that supposed to work? (and why it is so ugly anyway?

) I can't get any serial port activity, no writes or status reads.

AnnaWu · 09 January 2017, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwallace

Are we sure that those SINGE files line up with real laserdiscs, they look like it's for convenience sake in many cases. If the video is there though and works...

I haven't forgotten about Mad Dog, It's just I'm trying to edit the sound as for some reason the DVD has the frames in the wrong order, and a dubbed on gunshot for no good reason.

SINGE files are from CD/DVD and not from real LD.

earok · 11 January 2017, 06:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Is that supposed to work? (and why it is so ugly anyway?

) I can't get any serial port activity, no writes or status reads.

Ick

just thought it might be worth a mention just in case it was something that did something useful..

I guess we'll have to settle for floppy disk Dragon's Lair

DamienD · 14 January 2017, 13:54

I now have these files also but probably no use uploading them somewhere:

... hayate
... johnnyrock
... spacepirates
... timegal
... timetraveler-v2
... timetraveler-v23d

earok · 15 January 2017, 01:47

Just FYI, a friend has managed to find a laserdisc of Mad Dog McCree 2 in English and rip it, but it might be a week or two before they can get around to uploading it.

jwallace · 16 January 2017, 10:12

I've found a low res (i.e on a CD-ROM) of Mad Dog 1 - it does have all the frames though. I'm going to try to use it to construct something a bit easier to use, but still viewable. I'd like to see if those SINGE files do match up though, if the person who made them was working from original discs as a guide, it would make sense for them to line them up roughly the same for testing.
Does anyone know if the Mad Dog 2 SINGE started with the dynamite exploding like the real LD?

EDIT: The Mad Dog 1 image I have seems to be a DAPHNE capture of some sort (MPEG and OGG) - perhaps it was shared openly at some stage. Anyway, it has a few bits of corruption (and some typos in the instruction slides), so I guess it's a first pressing.

As I'm a bit picky, I have from the SINGE data the instruction files from the 2nd pressing which I might overlay for my own copy, but otherwise it looks decentand I'll try to convert it straight to MP4

jwallace · 19 January 2017, 11:27

I know I'm bumping, but I just wanted to ask if there are any format limitations for this, I have a full size NTSC video ready, can I make it just MP4 and MP3 audio in an AVI, or does the code require anything specific?

Toni Wilen · 19 January 2017, 13:32

Most Windows supported video/audio codecs probably works in AVI container.

It is based on DirectShow but it also uses very old method ("Sample Grabber", newer method suck for this purpose) of "capturing" raw video frames (which is then merged with Amiga display). Not all codecs support this capture method.

jwallace · 19 January 2017, 22:00

I only ask because I have to build the file up in Vegas from individual bits, it's a standard MP4 though, just a bit big because it's fullsize (720 x 480). As long as that doesn't break anything it should make for a nice quality image, even with the few patches I've had to drop in from the DVD.

I was wondering, on the same subject, if there's a way of logging the Laserdisc player commands, as it might help with sorting the footage out. I did notice, however, that the SINGE videos appear to be cut with the successful results all in one file, as opposed to the real videos which have the failures first (so playing the sequence through has you shot). To be honest, the idea of editing the CDROM footage back together to resemble the actual disc feels like a fun challenge as I learn my NLE software, so I'm hoping to see how many I can do, and what footage might be missing if any.

Gaula92 · 20 January 2017, 13:19

@all: am I crazy to suppose it would be possible to stream the video from withing the Amiga itself using some video format like CDXL? Using an external CDXL player running on the system that could listen to the LD commands.
Just imagine Dragon's Lair like that!

earok · 21 January 2017, 08:49

If it's any interest to anyone following the thread..

I had a few hours free so I whipped up a prototype FMV engine for CD32 (non CDXL) http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=85646

SteveUK · 21 January 2017, 17:34

This is really cool... I wasnt sure, at some point do you think Mad Dog would be playable on the CD32 via the FMV adaptor?
I dont think any games were ever made for the CD32 FMV which was a shame as alot of good games made it to the Philips CDi FMV which was pretty spectacular at the time, especially Mad Dog 1. I presume the CDi FMV card is similar to CD32 one?

16 January 2017, 10:12	#254
jwallace Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Sheffield/UK Posts: 36	I've found a low res (i.e on a CD-ROM) of Mad Dog 1 - it does have all the frames though. I'm going to try to use it to construct something a bit easier to use, but still viewable. I'd like to see if those SINGE files do match up though, if the person who made them was working from original discs as a guide, it would make sense for them to line them up roughly the same for testing. Does anyone know if the Mad Dog 2 SINGE started with the dynamite exploding like the real LD? EDIT: The Mad Dog 1 image I have seems to be a DAPHNE capture of some sort (MPEG and OGG) - perhaps it was shared openly at some stage. Anyway, it has a few bits of corruption (and some typos in the instruction slides), so I guess it's a first pressing. As I'm a bit picky, I have from the SINGE data the instruction files from the 2nd pressing which I might overlay for my own copy, but otherwise it looks decentand I'll try to convert it straight to MP4 Last edited by jwallace; 18 January 2017 at 09:44.

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09 January 2017, 11:25	#241
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Heya Toni, I've put this file in The Zone! *All_daphne_v0.99.3_romsets_except_starblazer.zip*

09 January 2017, 12:19	#246
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Got it

09 January 2017, 13:08	#247
AnnaWu Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 561	Druidefix (Toni) is making a new magic potion. I smell something ...

09 January 2017, 14:30	#248
jwallace Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Sheffield/UK Posts: 36	Are we sure that those SINGE files line up with real laserdiscs, they look like it's for convenience sake in many cases. If the video is there though and works... I haven't forgotten about Mad Dog, It's just I'm trying to edit the sound as for some reason the DVD has the frames in the wrong order, and a dubbed on gunshot for no good reason.

14 January 2017, 13:54	#252
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I now have these files also but probably no use uploading them somewhere: ... hayate ... johnnyrock ... spacepirates ... timegal ... timetraveler-v2 ... timetraveler-v23d

15 January 2017, 01:47	#253
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,547	Just FYI, a friend has managed to find a laserdisc of Mad Dog McCree 2 in English and rip it, but it might be a week or two before they can get around to uploading it.

19 January 2017, 11:27	#255
jwallace Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Sheffield/UK Posts: 36	I know I'm bumping, but I just wanted to ask if there are any format limitations for this, I have a full size NTSC video ready, can I make it just MP4 and MP3 audio in an AVI, or does the code require anything specific?

19 January 2017, 13:32	#256
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,570	Most Windows supported video/audio codecs probably works in AVI container. It is based on DirectShow but it also uses very old method ("Sample Grabber", newer method suck for this purpose) of "capturing" raw video frames (which is then merged with Amiga display). Not all codecs support this capture method.

19 January 2017, 22:00	#257
jwallace Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Sheffield/UK Posts: 36	I only ask because I have to build the file up in Vegas from individual bits, it's a standard MP4 though, just a bit big because it's fullsize (720 x 480). As long as that doesn't break anything it should make for a nice quality image, even with the few patches I've had to drop in from the DVD. I was wondering, on the same subject, if there's a way of logging the Laserdisc player commands, as it might help with sorting the footage out. I did notice, however, that the SINGE videos appear to be cut with the successful results all in one file, as opposed to the real videos which have the failures first (so playing the sequence through has you shot). To be honest, the idea of editing the CDROM footage back together to resemble the actual disc feels like a fun challenge as I learn my NLE software, so I'm hoping to see how many I can do, and what footage might be missing if any.

20 January 2017, 13:19	#258
Gaula92 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 527	@all: am I crazy to suppose it would be possible to stream the video from withing the Amiga itself using some video format like CDXL? Using an external CDXL player running on the system that could listen to the LD commands. Just imagine Dragon's Lair like that!

21 January 2017, 08:49	#259
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,547	If it's any interest to anyone following the thread.. I had a few hours free so I whipped up a prototype FMV engine for CD32 (non CDXL) http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=85646

21 January 2017, 17:34	#260
SteveUK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Shropshire / UK Posts: 58	This is really cool... I wasnt sure, at some point do you think Mad Dog would be playable on the CD32 via the FMV adaptor? I dont think any games were ever made for the CD32 FMV which was a shame as alot of good games made it to the Philips CDi FMV which was pretty spectacular at the time, especially Mad Dog 1. I presume the CDi FMV card is similar to CD32 one?

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