Legality of CoffinOS and Vampire Team

[TuKo]

Originally Posted by kipper2k

k, i will chime in, if something is not for sale any longer it doesnt mean that the author has given up his rights. What is the legality of me posting all the schematics for the vampire board, i didnt sign a confidentiality agreement.

... because it's still sold and IP owners are well known and active on that product ?

[kipper2k]

Originally Posted by TuKo

... because it's still sold and IP owners are well known and active on that product ?

Really, so then you pay the IP holders theiir fees
\Nice
Take a look at my designs throughout the years, there are clones everywhere, some cloned specifically for use with the vampire, but i have not complained. Hardware is a strange thing, someone can create a design, lets say for an accelerator and they are all doing the same thing and 99% of the time are very close in design so you will see clonesappear everywhere, including F:PGA designs

[UberFreak]

Originally Posted by DamienD

What the Apollo team have done / are doing is completely wrong, simple.

I'm not debating if its wrong or not, I'm just asking what does EAB have to do with it?

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by kipper2k

Really, so then you pay the IP holders theiir fees
\Nice
Take a look at my designs throughout the years, there are clones everywhere, some cloned specifically for use with the vampire, but i have not complained. Hardware is a strange thing, someone can create a design, lets say for an accelerator and they are all doing the same thing and 99% of the time are very close in design so you will see clonesappear everywhere, including F:PGA designs

kipper2k my friend; what other response did you expect from the responsible / law abiding Apollo team?

Just typical... quite happy to rip off other's work but don't dare do the same to them

[UberFreak]

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

the legal license holder suffers from "Lost Revenue."

As has been shown (repeatedly) in the thread, you can't legally buy OS3.9.Please explain who exactly is "losing revenue" ?

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

I'm not debating if its wrong or not, I'm just asking what does EAB have to do with it?

It's being discussed; that's what happens on forums funnily enough.

[Weaselrama]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

As has been shown (repeatedly) in the thread, you can't legally buy OS3.9.Please explain who exactly is "losing revenue" ?

In theory, the legal license holder. In the real world, especially if they don't choose to defend their claim? Nobody - and we should let them fight their own battles since we're talking about OS's and software that are 20 years old or older. OS 3.1.4 is in a very dubious state of legality and the license holder believes the money I paid for 3.1.4 belongs to them. See you on that snowmobile ride in Hell..

[UberFreak]

Originally Posted by DamienD

It's being discussed; that's what happens on forums funnily enough.

Yes, but as a moderator you are representing EAB and you are very vocal in defending your stance in this thread.
I'm quite sure that if no moderators were so heavily involved in the thread, it would not escalate to this level.


Just an opinion, of course.

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

Yes, but as an admin you are representing EAB and you are very vocal in defending your stance in this thread.
I'm quite sure that if no moderators were so heavily involved in the thread, it would not escalate to this level.

Just an opinion, of course.

Right, you show me exactly where in the rules it states that the Admin / Global Moderators / Moderators are not allowed to discuss stuff in threads?

...and I'm not representing EAB; I'm giving my own personal opinion on things related to the Apollo team and their questionable activities, just as every other member is free to do.

You got a problem with that?

If so, as I've said numerous times; please feel free to contact RCK or any other Global Moderator and raise your concerns.

[Weaselrama]

I'll break up the tension here with a screenshot of one of the best-looking OS3.9 installations in existence. MINE.

[UberFreak]

Hmm, so say I am a moderator here, could I freely share my personal stance on piracy if its completely different than the site rules ?
After all, I'm just stating my personal opinion.

Accept it or not, moderators represent the forum in many ways, but I see your point.

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by UberFreak

Hmm, so say I am a moderator here, could I freely share my personal stance on piracy if its completely different than the site rules ?
After all, I'm just stating my personal opinion.

What a dumb thing to say

Are you implying that my stance on piracy differs from EAB rules?

I think you better check again my friend...

It was me that asked Turran to close the "EAB File Server" (but I discussed with BippyM also, and he agreed); as we are aligning it with the rules due to files being uploaded that break them, and that we were not aware of.

Again, please stop diverting this topic onto me; and get back to the subject at hand... last time I ask anyone!!!

[Aladin]

already how many percent done in checking the content of FTP?

[coldacid]

Aladin: 0% I bet.

[DamienD]

Originally Posted by Aladin

already how many percent done in checking the content of FTP?

Originally Posted by coldacid

Aladin: 0% I bet.

None so far; been a little side tracked if you haven't noticed...

Anyway, I will start when I'm ready... not when anyone else tells me to.

It's not like any of you donate to keeping it alive so... tough, wait until things are sorted out.

End of discussion.

[Thomas Richter]

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

Several months later, I built an A1200 with 3.1.4. I thought it was garbage right out of the gate. All of the menu items and tools I was used didn't exist and it became apparent you couldn't do anything with a 3.1.4 installation until you added on a WHOLE LOT of additions.

I wouldn't know much of a difference between the 3.9 workbench and the 3.1.4 workbench as far as the function goes. Actually, the 3.1.4 workbench is from the same author (Olaf) and an extended version of the 3.9 version, minus the bugs found on the way.

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

Why so much animosity toward 3.5/3.9 from the 3.1.4 fanboys?

I'm not sure who is showing animosity here. I'm certainly not. I helped with 3.9, and I helped with 3.1.4, so both are "my products" to a limited degree. I rather see 3.1.4 the next project we could realize without actually stealing.

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

Because the 3.1.4 developers themselves felt they needed to denigrate and disparage 3.5/3.9 instead of simply selling 3.1.4 on its own merits and now most of you who swear by 3.1.4 bought/buy into that crap.

Errr... I'm not clear where you got this story from. The reality is quite simple: We could not use 3.9 as starting point because we haven't had access to its sources, nor its rights.



This is *precisely* the problem you face if you play the game the honest way: You do not always get what you want, and it takes longer to get there.

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

If you ever built a 3.1.4 and 3.9 system and compared them side by side, you'd know which was the most complete and the most "bug" free.

I did. Now what? Do you have an idea how 3.1.4 was started? When possible, I used the 3.9 components and fixed bugs. So, I'm not quite clear how you got the idea that this is backwards. It was just harder to do as I lack the attitude of "oh, let's just steal if I don't want to do it myself".

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

To the best of my knowledge there is no current legal challenge to Apollo/Coffin from the OS3.9 license holders, there hasn't been any legal challenge in the handful of years Apollo has been around, and there isn't likely to be.

Maybe, maybe not. That still does not make the thing legal. You act like a child "I wanna, I wanna", and don't understand that you cannot just take what isn't yours.

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

However, there IS a legal challenge by the legal license holders against 3.1.4 which isn't resolved.

We'll see how that goes, yes. Cloanto wants to get rid of a competitor, obviously.

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

How many freaking licenses do we Amiga users have to buy, anyway? Do I feel ripped off? Yup.

One for every installation, apparently. Same as for most other commercial software. I'm ok if you don't like 3.1.4, you are entitled to your opinion, but then have to use the software for which you did pay licenses, as 3.1 or 3.9. Works for me. But if you want to use 3.1.4, you need to buy it. That's how life works.

[Rochabian]

This thread is becoming an insane witch hunt.
It's time to chill out

[Thomas Richter]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I think you're wrong, OS3.9 is the most stable and complete Amiga system there is, you can tell by the people who have been using it for years.

Not from the inside, I afraid. Oh, wait: Haven't the release notes for 3.1.4. been provided recently? Just read the "non-existing bugs" of 3.9.


Look, I am not complaining about them. Software does have bugs, that's how it works. But at least, somebody was cleaning up, identified them and fixed them.

[Thomas Richter]

Originally Posted by Weaselrama

Exactly, AMIGASYSTEM which is why so many applications *require* 3.5/3.9 to even run correctly, or at all.

I'm not sure which applications these are, but if there are reaction based applications, this problem will be addressed. *After* clarifying the legal status and paying off its developer, from the sales of 3.1.4, BTW.


This is how things work if you do it the honest way. Longer, harder...

[coldacid]

Originally Posted by Rochabian

This thread is becoming an insane witch hunt.
It's time to chill out

This thread started as one, and it's only getting worse. Again, time for the angry arguing people to step away from their computers and go outside for some fresh air for a bit.