Final Fight: Enhanced - Page 12

Howardphilips · 30 November 2023, 20:15

Hi there, any news on this one?
Still believing in Xmas miracles...

Brick Nash · 01 December 2023, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howardphilips

Hi there, any news on this one?
Still believing in Xmas miracles...

Still working on it. Day job and other stuff gets in the way, but it's slowly coming together. Probably about 95% done.

ransom1122 · 01 December 2023, 22:59

95% done whilst you have your day job and other stuff is impressive.

Well done

Howardphilips · 09 December 2023, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brick Nash

Still working on it. Day job and other stuff gets in the way, but it's slowly coming together. Probably about 95% done.

Wonderful!
Thank you for this commitment!

Brick Nash · 27 December 2023, 12:34

Hi folks, thought I'd give a small update on what's happening.

Last week I did some real hardware tests on my A600. The intro worked fine, and I could get to the select and loading screens. However, the game just hangs/screen goes blank when the main game loop is entered and a stuttered version of the music plays. I checked that my 2 Meg of ChipMem was being recognised in workbench and that was fine, and I tried both Gotek and real floppies, but just got the same result. I also tested other games on the machine and they worked fine too.

I've since discovered that the game only runs perfectly on older versions of WinUAE (4.3.0), which was my main testing setup when coding. Later versions of WinUAE (4.9.0 and 5.1.0) seem to glitch similarly to what the real Amiga does (screen goes blank eventually), although they do play for a bit. All use the same setup/ROM etc. matched to my real Amiga 600. Again, the intro works fine on all versions.

It maybe seems like the older emulator has been compensating for some bad code, and the more accurate it gets the more flaws are being revealed.

With this situation appearing, I'll maybe have to step away for a while as I'm now completely burned out. For the last three years I've spent every spare second on this project. Every morning, every evening, every weekend, and every holiday (even some sick days) has been ploughed into it. Also, the fact that this is still my first Amiga programming project means that every new step has been completely unknown territory, so the added burden of learning/figuring out what to do (on top of the actual implementation graft) has been incredibly time consuming.

The real Amiga test was meant to be the big reward for me. Seeing it run on actual hardware was one of the main motivators, but after no less that forty attempts in the last few days to find out what's wrong, I just don't think I have the energy to keep grinding on at the moment.

On the plus side, bar a few small bugs and animation glitches, the game is pretty much done and I think it plays quite well (going by when it works of course). Some music editing and gameplay/disk routine settings have to be finalised (enemies have low health so that I can test levels quickly), but I've played through it a fair few times. There's also a couple of surprises in there that I don't want to spoil, and that's why I've been sparse with visual updates and not making things too public.

I'm absolutely not quitting, but if I can't find out what's wrong by the end of the year then I'll have to put the project on indefinite hiatus until I get some modicum of drive back.

Anyway, I hope everyone has a good new year!

Cheers!

trixster · 27 December 2023, 12:56

Take some time off, recharge your batteries! It is not worth burning yourself out, it’ll still be there in a few months or so, and so shall we

jurassicman · 27 December 2023, 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

Take some time off, recharge your batteries! It is not worth burning yourself out, it’ll still be there in a few months or so, and so shall we

@Brick Nash
I totally agree with trixter... keep your time, it is hopefully just a minor bug and in any case I'm sure you'll find it sooner or later.
Enjoy the end of the year and have a wonderful 2024!

jotd · 27 December 2023, 13:38

I can help. PM me if interested.

I generally use a whdload "shell" so I track down illegal reads & writes (which are the main differences between emulators and real machines). I never have issues with the real machine that I don't have on WinUAE (except maybe sound/visual glitches, but nothing cpu-related)

Brick Nash · 28 December 2023, 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

I can help. PM me if interested.

I generally use a whdload "shell" so I track down illegal reads & writes (which are the main differences between emulators and real machines). I never have issues with the real machine that I don't have on WinUAE (except maybe sound/visual glitches, but nothing cpu-related)

I think I'll take you up on that. Thank you.

d4rk3lf · 29 December 2023, 16:05

@Brick Nash

First I wanna thank you for enormous time and energy you invested in this project. Many tried it, and all failed to finish it... and it's really a very hard thing to chew, especially if it's your first project.
Pauses are great, but when you overburnt with the project, the longer the pause, the harder will be to get back to it. It would be perfect if you can figure out the issue(s), AND THEN go to pause, because you will then looking forward to get back to the project, and with fresh strength, you will probably have more patience to give it more polish.

It's very comforting that jotd is willing to give you a hand, because he is awesome in these sort of stuff, and Amiga community owns him very much.
Seriously, I can't think of a better, more qualified person, to help you with that, then him.

Keep up the great work!

A500 · 29 December 2023, 23:02

I totally second what d4rk3lf said. I've been in a similar situation with a project and was stupid enough to try and just go on with it, with predictable results. No progress, complete loss of motivation, until someone else picked it up and finished the still missing 2%.

jotd · 31 December 2023, 11:13

Brick sent me his source (thanks to him for trusting me) and I found a couple (ahem

) of issues. Fixing those allows the flashing to go away. There's still work but we're on the right track!

I've been spamming him with technical e-mails so he has all the details for when he resumes work on the project. Not possible that such a great project stops because of petty bugs! (I've seen it running and it's great!)

ok break is over. back to my new arcade port ...

sokolovic · 31 December 2023, 13:31

Great news ! Hope this project will succeed (anb maybe Jotd could have the permission to make an AGA version later hopefully

. )

jotd · 31 December 2023, 13:47

I'm talking with Brick Nash about that AGA version, yes. That would be awesome to be able to pull it off.

dlfrsilver · 31 December 2023, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

I'm talking with Brick Nash about that AGA version, yes. That would be awesome to be able to pull it off.

oh yes !

that would be awesome !

Cris1997XX · 31 December 2023, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

I'm talking with Brick Nash about that AGA version, yes. That would be awesome to be able to pull it off.

Heck yeah!! It would blow the unfinished Atari Falcon version out of the water

jurassicman · 31 December 2023, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Brick sent me his source (thanks to him for trusting me) and I found a couple (ahem

) of issues. Fixing those allows the flashing to go away. There's still work but we're on the right track!

I've been spamming him with technical e-mails so he has all the details for when he resumes work on the project. Not possible that such a great project stops because of petty bugs! (I've seen it running and it's great!)

ok break is over. back to my new arcade port ...

Great news, thanks!

AnimaInCorpore · 31 December 2023, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris1997XX

Heck yeah!! It would blow the unfinished Atari Falcon version out of the water

Unfortunately there's no Atari Falcon version but an early version of a Final Fight CPS1 emulation.

Brick Nash · 04 January 2024, 10:56

Another update.

A massive thank you to jotd for his incredibly generous help. The game is now running on real hardware, and I learned a few new things too.

So, it's back to just tidying things up. Although, I think I'm going to take it slowly from here on in.

Reynolds · 04 January 2024, 14:48

Awesome. Can't wait to see some preview or even a rolling/playable demo.

Keep up the great work, don't let loose all efforts you've already put into it.

Respect.

27 December 2023, 13:38	#228
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,376	I can help. PM me if interested. I generally use a whdload "shell" so I track down illegal reads & writes (which are the main differences between emulators and real machines). I never have issues with the real machine that I don't have on WinUAE (except maybe sound/visual glitches, but nothing cpu-related) Last edited by jotd; 27 December 2023 at 14:50.

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30 November 2023, 20:15	#221
Howardphilips Registered User Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: France Posts: 87	Hi there, any news on this one? Still believing in Xmas miracles...

01 December 2023, 22:59	#223
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,904	95% done whilst you have your day job and other stuff is impressive. Well done

27 December 2023, 12:34	#225
Brick Nash Prototron Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 421	Hi folks, thought I'd give a small update on what's happening. Last week I did some real hardware tests on my A600. The intro worked fine, and I could get to the select and loading screens. However, the game just hangs/screen goes blank when the main game loop is entered and a stuttered version of the music plays. I checked that my 2 Meg of ChipMem was being recognised in workbench and that was fine, and I tried both Gotek and real floppies, but just got the same result. I also tested other games on the machine and they worked fine too. I've since discovered that the game only runs perfectly on older versions of WinUAE (4.3.0), which was my main testing setup when coding. Later versions of WinUAE (4.9.0 and 5.1.0) seem to glitch similarly to what the real Amiga does (screen goes blank eventually), although they do play for a bit. All use the same setup/ROM etc. matched to my real Amiga 600. Again, the intro works fine on all versions. It maybe seems like the older emulator has been compensating for some bad code, and the more accurate it gets the more flaws are being revealed. With this situation appearing, I'll maybe have to step away for a while as I'm now completely burned out. For the last three years I've spent every spare second on this project. Every morning, every evening, every weekend, and every holiday (even some sick days) has been ploughed into it. Also, the fact that this is still my first Amiga programming project means that every new step has been completely unknown territory, so the added burden of learning/figuring out what to do (on top of the actual implementation graft) has been incredibly time consuming. The real Amiga test was meant to be the big reward for me. Seeing it run on actual hardware was one of the main motivators, but after no less that forty attempts in the last few days to find out what's wrong, I just don't think I have the energy to keep grinding on at the moment. On the plus side, bar a few small bugs and animation glitches, the game is pretty much done and I think it plays quite well (going by when it works of course). Some music editing and gameplay/disk routine settings have to be finalised (enemies have low health so that I can test levels quickly), but I've played through it a fair few times. There's also a couple of surprises in there that I don't want to spoil, and that's why I've been sparse with visual updates and not making things too public. I'm absolutely not quitting, but if I can't find out what's wrong by the end of the year then I'll have to put the project on indefinite hiatus until I get some modicum of drive back. Anyway, I hope everyone has a good new year! Cheers!

27 December 2023, 12:56	#226
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,356	Take some time off, recharge your batteries! It is not worth burning yourself out, it’ll still be there in a few months or so, and so shall we

29 December 2023, 16:05	#230
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,700	@Brick Nash First I wanna thank you for enormous time and energy you invested in this project. Many tried it, and all failed to finish it... and it's really a very hard thing to chew, especially if it's your first project. Pauses are great, but when you overburnt with the project, the longer the pause, the harder will be to get back to it. It would be perfect if you can figure out the issue(s), AND THEN go to pause, because you will then looking forward to get back to the project, and with fresh strength, you will probably have more patience to give it more polish. It's very comforting that jotd is willing to give you a hand, because he is awesome in these sort of stuff, and Amiga community owns him very much. Seriously, I can't think of a better, more qualified person, to help you with that, then him. Keep up the great work!

29 December 2023, 23:02	#231
A500 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Finland Posts: 368	I totally second what d4rk3lf said. I've been in a similar situation with a project and was stupid enough to try and just go on with it, with predictable results. No progress, complete loss of motivation, until someone else picked it up and finished the still missing 2%.

31 December 2023, 11:13	#232
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,376	Brick sent me his source (thanks to him for trusting me) and I found a couple (ahem ) of issues. Fixing those allows the flashing to go away. There's still work but we're on the right track! I've been spamming him with technical e-mails so he has all the details for when he resumes work on the project. Not possible that such a great project stops because of petty bugs! (I've seen it running and it's great!) ok break is over. back to my new arcade port ...

31 December 2023, 13:31	#233
sokolovic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Marseille / France Posts: 1,517	Great news ! Hope this project will succeed (anb maybe Jotd could have the permission to make an AGA version later hopefully . )

31 December 2023, 13:47	#234
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,376	I'm talking with Brick Nash about that AGA version, yes. That would be awesome to be able to pull it off.

04 January 2024, 10:56	#239
Brick Nash Prototron Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 421	Another update. A massive thank you to jotd for his incredibly generous help. The game is now running on real hardware, and I learned a few new things too. So, it's back to just tidying things up. Although, I think I'm going to take it slowly from here on in.

04 January 2024, 14:48	#240
Reynolds Alien Breeder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Szigetszentmiklos / Hungary Age: 46 Posts: 1,113	Awesome. Can't wait to see some preview or even a rolling/playable demo. Keep up the great work, don't let loose all efforts you've already put into it. Respect.

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