CF / SD and large drives FAQ - Page 12

Toni Wilen · 31 December 2015, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnie

Does anybody know what this error is on a 8gb CF with 5 PFS3 partitions?

Device DH0:
Warning:
Allocated memory doesn't match memorymask

Weird/bad mask value in hdtoolbox? (Same screen where max transfer is)

Arnie · 31 December 2015, 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Weird/bad mask value in hdtoolbox? (Same screen where max transfer is)

Added pic to post.

What should the mask be for PFS3?

0x00FFFFFE
or
0x7FFFFFFE
or something else?

Toni Wilen · 31 December 2015, 19:51

0x7FFFFFFE (8 characters, your mask value seems to miss one character) is the usual value but it does not really matter with non-DMA controllers, PFS3 just does extra check to confirm if buffer address matches mask.

Arnie · 31 December 2015, 19:59

Thanks Toni. adding an extra f sorted it out. Either I can't count or I need another eye test.

Zeph · 02 January 2016, 17:59

Ok. Amiga 600.

So I got my 4gb Transcend memory card, CF-IDE converter and 44 pin Ide cable and hooked it all up, lights came on the adaptor to tell me there is a drive present... And... Nothing!

Ok, false start, found out that although my Kickstart was labelled 2.05, it was version 37.299, which, apparently doesn't support the internal port. So I swapped out the 3.1 from my Amiga 500.

Right, now we're getting somewhere, HDToolbox tells me that there's something at SCSI 0,0. But is "unknown" so went into custom device and add and detect and... "unit is not a disk (type 7)" which bought me to this thread.

So, i popped it back out of the adaptor and into the front panel cf reader on my pc, ran up WinUAE configured as an A600 and added the CF as a drive on IDE0 (after realising you have to run UAE as Admin.

Booted up UAE and partitioned the drive as 512mb System (DH0) and 3.5gbish Storage (DH1). Workbench 3.1 installed and running fine from the System partition, good. Now i go to format the second partition and... Not A Valid DOS Disk!

Can anyone help on this?

Thanks!

thomas · 02 January 2016, 19:53

Add more RAM. Big partitions need a lot of memory to validate.

Or make more smaller partitions. It's a good idea to keep partition sizes below 2 GB anyway.

Zeph · 02 January 2016, 21:18

Ok thanks, I'll give that a go when I get home tonight see if I get any joy

sneeker · 03 January 2016, 01:39

Scratch my idea, 3.1 is the same for all single rom machines, i was wondering if it would have ide support being from a 500, seems it does.

supaduper · 03 January 2016, 03:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeph

Ok. Amiga 600.

So I got my 4gb Transcend memory card, CF-IDE converter and 44 pin Ide cable and hooked it all up, lights came on the adaptor to tell me there is a drive present... And... Nothing!

Ok, false start, found out that although my Kickstart was labelled 2.05, it was version 37.299, which, apparently doesn't support the internal port. So I swapped out the 3.1 from my Amiga 500.

Right, now we're getting somewhere, HDToolbox tells me that there's something at SCSI 0,0. But is "unknown" so went into custom device and add and detect and... "unit is not a disk (type 7)" which bought me to this thread.

So, i popped it back out of the adaptor and into the front panel cf reader on my pc, ran up WinUAE configured as an A600 and added the CF as a drive on IDE0 (after realising you have to run UAE as Admin.

Booted up UAE and partitioned the drive as 512mb System (DH0) and 3.5gbish Storage (DH1). Workbench 3.1 installed and running fine from the System partition, good. Now i go to format the second partition and... Not A Valid DOS Disk!

Can anyone help on this?

Thanks!

I Agree with Tomas also use PFSaio by Toni, it is excellent for solving your problems regarding bigger partitions and large hard drives, but on a stock A600 it will push it to the limit so you need idealy 4mb of extra ram

03 February 2016, 18:45

I am really desperate with my CF setting in my A1200 and hope that you guys can help me. I have a problem in getting my 16GB and 32GB CF cards to run in my A1200.

I prepared my 16GB card according to fitzsteve's instructions on this video: [ Show youtube player ]

When I start the CF card as IDE0 in WinUAE os3.9 boots up without any problems. However, it just won't boot up on my A1200. I just get the please enter disk screen.

I also tried installing WB3.1 in WinUAE and boot up on the A1200. Again the same result: WB loads in WinUAE however not on my A1200.

Do you guys have an idea where the problem might be? I tried this over and over and just cannot find the cause of the problem...

Thanks!

nogginthenog · 03 February 2016, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by skel2raw

Do you guys have an idea where the problem might be? I tried this over and over and just cannot find the cause of the problem...

Thanks!

If you hold both mouse buttons on startup do you see the HD in the boot menu?

thomas · 03 February 2016, 20:17

Connect the CF card to your Amiga and boot it up with the Install3.1 floppy disk. If you run HDToolbox, does it see the card?

If not, then it's a hardware problem. Check correct seat of cable, CF adapter and so on. In case all else is correct, then bad luck, incompatible CF card

If HDToolbox sees the card, install it on the Amiga. Then you can move it back to WinUAE and install the OS. Ensure that the partitions you see in WinUAE are ones you created on the Amiga and not the ones you created on WinUAE before (i.e. give them new names you didn't use before).

04 February 2016, 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Connect the CF card to your Amiga and boot it up with the Install3.1 floppy disk. If you run HDToolbox, does it see the card?

If not, then it's a hardware problem. Check correct seat of cable, CF adapter and so on. In case all else is correct, then bad luck, incompatible CF card

If HDToolbox sees the card, install it on the Amiga. Then you can move it back to WinUAE and install the OS. Ensure that the partitions you see in WinUAE are ones you created on the Amiga and not the ones you created on WinUAE before (i.e. give them new names you didn't use before).

Installing the card on the Amiga solved the problem! Thank you guys

HelloBeautiful · 06 April 2016, 11:47

How does Cloanto's KS 3.X play in to all of this?

fgh · 06 April 2016, 17:23

The 3.x ROM has scsi.device 43.46, which is not the Cosmos hack with same version number, but based on 43.45 which is good. This together with the included FFS 45.16 gives you >128GB support without any reboots.
I'd say PFS3AiO is still preferable to FFS 45.16 though, but again: not required for large drive support.

ShK · 22 April 2016, 16:44

About A600 internal IDE (scsi.device 43.46 in ROM). I have a 128GB SD-card, hdtoolbox sees it like this:

249138 * 16 * 63 * 512 = 128579125248b = 125565552k = 119.74864 Meg

I can make two of equal size partition (2x 59.8G) and they works ok.

But for some reason one PDS\03 partition has 101.5 gigabyte barrier ( 211331 * 16 * 63 * 512).

If I increase one partition total cyls to 211332, then PFSFORMAT fails (returncode 20). This is less than the PFS3 max partition size. I can reproduce this issue even on WinUAE.

Why Amiga 600 IDE has this 101.5 gigabyte/partition barrier?

fgh · 23 April 2016, 09:25

Not sure. It's very close to 104GiB which is supposed to be the PFS3 partition size limit though, so I'm not convinced it's not just the file system.

You could play around with file systems, amiga models or scsi.device versions in WinUAE to figure out which component is causing it

(FFS 45 and SFS with dostype SFS\2 allow larger partitions)

ShK · 24 April 2016, 07:17

I have not find time to test yet. SFS\0 has SCSI direct support and it should work with max. 128 GB partitions. I think PFS3 partition size limit info is outdated: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961062&postcount=58

fgh · 24 April 2016, 11:40

Ok, I'll probably check it out then, but not today.

Only the older version 1.084 of SFS has direct SCSI support.
(You don't need direct SCSI as your scsi.device has NSD support)

The PFS3 AiO features discussed in your link are only found in the 'experimental' branch at sourceforge I think. Version 2.3 from aminet was released before that post.

ShK · 25 April 2016, 10:30

24 April 2016, 07:17	#238
ShK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Lahti / Finland Age: 53 Posts: 452	I have not find time to test yet. SFS\0 has SCSI direct support and it should work with max. 128 GB partitions. I think PFS3 partition size limit info is outdated: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=961062&postcount=58 Last edited by ShK; 24 April 2016 at 07:56.

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31 December 2015, 19:51	#223
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	0x7FFFFFFE (8 characters, your mask value seems to miss one character) is the usual value but it does not really matter with non-DMA controllers, PFS3 just does extra check to confirm if buffer address matches mask.

31 December 2015, 19:59	#224
Arnie R.I.P Smudge 18-08-16 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Leicester/UK Age: 66 Posts: 3,968	Thanks Toni. adding an extra f sorted it out. Either I can't count or I need another eye test.

02 January 2016, 17:59	#225
Zeph Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Poole, Dorset Posts: 79	Ok. Amiga 600. So I got my 4gb Transcend memory card, CF-IDE converter and 44 pin Ide cable and hooked it all up, lights came on the adaptor to tell me there is a drive present... And... Nothing! Ok, false start, found out that although my Kickstart was labelled 2.05, it was version 37.299, which, apparently doesn't support the internal port. So I swapped out the 3.1 from my Amiga 500. Right, now we're getting somewhere, HDToolbox tells me that there's something at SCSI 0,0. But is "unknown" so went into custom device and add and detect and... "unit is not a disk (type 7)" which bought me to this thread. So, i popped it back out of the adaptor and into the front panel cf reader on my pc, ran up WinUAE configured as an A600 and added the CF as a drive on IDE0 (after realising you have to run UAE as Admin. Booted up UAE and partitioned the drive as 512mb System (DH0) and 3.5gbish Storage (DH1). Workbench 3.1 installed and running fine from the System partition, good. Now i go to format the second partition and... Not A Valid DOS Disk! Can anyone help on this? Thanks!

02 January 2016, 19:53	#226
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,030	Add more RAM. Big partitions need a lot of memory to validate. Or make more smaller partitions. It's a good idea to keep partition sizes below 2 GB anyway.

02 January 2016, 21:18	#227
Zeph Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Poole, Dorset Posts: 79	Ok thanks, I'll give that a go when I get home tonight see if I get any joy

03 January 2016, 01:39	#228
sneeker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manchester! Posts: 308	Scratch my idea, 3.1 is the same for all single rom machines, i was wondering if it would have ide support being from a 500, seems it does.

03 February 2016, 18:45	#230
skel2raw Posts: n/a	I am really desperate with my CF setting in my A1200 and hope that you guys can help me. I have a problem in getting my 16GB and 32GB CF cards to run in my A1200. I prepared my 16GB card according to fitzsteve's instructions on this video: [ Show youtube player ] When I start the CF card as IDE0 in WinUAE os3.9 boots up without any problems. However, it just won't boot up on my A1200. I just get the please enter disk screen. I also tried installing WB3.1 in WinUAE and boot up on the A1200. Again the same result: WB loads in WinUAE however not on my A1200. Do you guys have an idea where the problem might be? I tried this over and over and just cannot find the cause of the problem... Thanks!

03 February 2016, 20:17	#232
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,030	Connect the CF card to your Amiga and boot it up with the Install3.1 floppy disk. If you run HDToolbox, does it see the card? If not, then it's a hardware problem. Check correct seat of cable, CF adapter and so on. In case all else is correct, then bad luck, incompatible CF card If HDToolbox sees the card, install it on the Amiga. Then you can move it back to WinUAE and install the OS. Ensure that the partitions you see in WinUAE are ones you created on the Amiga and not the ones you created on WinUAE before (i.e. give them new names you didn't use before).

06 April 2016, 11:47	#234
HelloBeautiful Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Helsinki Posts: 84	How does Cloanto's KS 3.X play in to all of this?

06 April 2016, 17:23	#235
fgh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 833	The 3.x ROM has scsi.device 43.46, which is not the Cosmos hack with same version number, but based on 43.45 which is good. This together with the included FFS 45.16 gives you >128GB support without any reboots. I'd say PFS3AiO is still preferable to FFS 45.16 though, but again: not required for large drive support.

22 April 2016, 16:44	#236
ShK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Lahti / Finland Age: 53 Posts: 452	About A600 internal IDE (scsi.device 43.46 in ROM). I have a 128GB SD-card, hdtoolbox sees it like this: 249138 * 16 * 63 * 512 = 128579125248b = 125565552k = 119.74864 Meg I can make two of equal size partition (2x 59.8G) and they works ok. But for some reason one PDS\03 partition has 101.5 gigabyte barrier ( 211331 * 16 * 63 * 512). If I increase one partition total cyls to 211332, then PFSFORMAT fails (returncode 20). This is less than the PFS3 max partition size. I can reproduce this issue even on WinUAE. Why Amiga 600 IDE has this 101.5 gigabyte/partition barrier?

23 April 2016, 09:25	#237
fgh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 833	Not sure. It's very close to 104GiB which is supposed to be the PFS3 partition size limit though, so I'm not convinced it's not just the file system. You could play around with file systems, amiga models or scsi.device versions in WinUAE to figure out which component is causing it (FFS 45 and SFS with dostype SFS\2 allow larger partitions)

24 April 2016, 11:40	#239
fgh Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 833	Ok, I'll probably check it out then, but not today. Only the older version 1.084 of SFS has direct SCSI support. (You don't need direct SCSI as your scsi.device has NSD support) The PFS3 AiO features discussed in your link are only found in the 'experimental' branch at sourceforge I think. Version 2.3 from aminet was released before that post.

25 April 2016, 10:30	#240
ShK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Lahti / Finland Age: 53 Posts: 452	Ok, thank you for the clarification. I made some tests on WinUAE: http://s31.postimg.org/meb6aufp7/UAE_1.png http://s31.postimg.org/dkk9tqsqj/UAE_2.png PFS3 AIO with the one partition, total cyls 211332: http://s31.postimg.org/lm15pnshn/PFS3_AIO_1.png http://s31.postimg.org/qnd54rpbv/PFS3_AIO_2.png http://s31.postimg.org/ptvxyetx7/PFS3_AIO_3.png http://s31.postimg.org/8acju7euz/PFS3_AIO_4.png Quick format attempt with AOS own format with PFS3 AIO, total cyls 211332: http://s31.postimg.org/e0u1nd1iz/PFS3_AIO_5.png SFS, total cyls 211332: http://s31.postimg.org/9lpv6pa7v/SFS_1.png http://s31.postimg.org/4j3xy6bjv/SFS_2.png http://s31.postimg.org/rlugxcd17/SFS_3.png http://s31.postimg.org/9x2q5q1a3/SFS_4.png FFS, total cyls 211332: http://s31.postimg.org/3l2a3v08r/FFS_1.png http://s31.postimg.org/8z12bepyz/FFS_2.png http://s31.postimg.org/t165gaqrf/FFS_3.png http://s31.postimg.org/woqi03ocb/FFS_4.png And PFS3 AIO with the total cyls 211331: http://s31.postimg.org/qukqupvy3/211331_1.png http://s31.postimg.org/xz2k3r37f/211331_2.png Summary. PFS3 AIO fails with the total cyls 211332, but SFS and FFS works. PFS3 AIO works with the total cyls 211331.

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