Terrible Fire Accelerators

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by keith

Extended sizing being used here, I hope you get it sorted as I got to get my hands on one of these cards!

Hmmmm.. i *thought* i had extended sizing off.

Here is what diagrom reports..

Scanning Zorro II Area

Board #1
  Manufacturer: 5080  Serialnumber: 0
     Zorrotype:  II  Link to system free pool: NO   Autoboot: NO
     Linked to next board: NO   Extended size: NO   Size: 64KB
  Autoconfigbuffer: C1 81 80 00 13 D8 00 00 02 12 00 00 00 00 00 00

    Zorro II I/O detected and assigned to: $00E90000 - $02E90000

Assign board? Y)es (LMB) N)o (RMB) (If possible) or ESC)Exit
Scanning Zorro III Area

Board #2
  Manufacturer: 5080  Serialnumber: 0
     Zorrotype: III  Link to system free pool: YES  Autoboot: NO
     Linked to next board: NO   Extended size: NO   Size: 4MB
  Autoconfigbuffer: A7 04 90 00 13 D8 00 00 02 16 00 00 00 00 00 00

    Zorro III Card detected and assigned to: $40000000 - $C0000000

Assign board? Y)es (LMB) N)o (RMB) (If possible) or ESC)Exit

All boards done!
                        Press any key/mouse to continue

First board is ZII SPI Port, second is the RAM Card. but for some reason it doesnt appear in the expansion boards in ESM.

[keith]

REG 76543210
00 10100001 Zorro III, autolink, 32 megabytes
04 10010010 Product $53
08 10110001 Extended Memory board, supports
Shutup, autosized in software.
0C 00000000 Reserved
10 00000010 Manufacturer’s code (C-A)
14 00000010
18-3C 00000000 Zeroed options/reserved.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by keith

REG 76543210
00 10100001 Zorro III, autolink, 32 megabytes
04 10010010 Product $53
08 10110001 Extended Memory board, supports
Shutup, autosized in software.
0C 00000000 Reserved
10 00000010 Manufacturer’s code (C-A)
14 00000010
18-3C 00000000 Zeroed options/reserved.

But my card is 4Mb and doesnt support extended. So that option is off.

[keith]

Sorry for all my post last post for now, it's not something simple like missing a shut up on the spi.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by keith

Sorry for all my post last post for now, it's not something simple like missing a shut up on the spi.

Nah i've tried removing the SPI and without it DiagROM couldnt read the ROM. its likely i've got the write registers wrong at this stage.

[mattymuc]

@plasmab: Can you help me, please? Where can I find the latest and most stable firmware for the TF530 Rev. 3? I have so many RAM problems and don't get my cards working. With every firmware I have tried I get different RAM errors :-(
Thank you!

[8 Bit Dreams]

@ plasmab:
was thinking about current problem with Zorro III today..
If it's not possible to configure it as Z3 correctly - maybe You can leave it as Zorro II (i will be happy to have 4Mb card with SATA anyway) and do further investigations after implementing it in further firmware update?

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

@ plasmab:
was thinking about current problem with Zorro III today..
If it's not possible to configure it as Z3 correctly - maybe You can leave it as Zorro II (i will be happy to have 4Mb card with SATA anyway) and do further investigations after implementing it in further firmware update?

yeah i will do that .. currently having a paint with vbcc.. posting on that thread.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by plasmab

yeah i will do that .. currently having a paint with vbcc.. posting on that thread.

B@574rd... Doesnt look like the A500.A600.A2000 Hyperion ROM interrogates ZIII space at all.. WTF.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by mattymuc

@plasmab: Can you help me, please? Where can I find the latest and most stable firmware for the TF530 Rev. 3? I have so many RAM problems and don't get my cards working. With every firmware I have tried I get different RAM errors :-(
Thank you!

Hey,

Have you got diagrom? if so i'll try and help out. Are you using Alliance RAM?

[plasmab]

Got some code together... if I boot the A500 and run this I can zorro iii setup code. Grrr.

[8 Bit Dreams]

Originally Posted by plasmab

Got some code together... if I boot the A500 and run this I can zorro iii setup code. Grrr.

moving right direction
about ROM - You've been warned
these guy's backed something together without checking does it works or not.. There are a lot issues with FDD either

[mattymuc]

Originally Posted by plasmab

Hey,

Have you got diagrom? if so i'll try and help out. Are you using Alliance RAM?

Yes, I have diagrom and I use Alliance RAM, the one you have in your BOM.

It's very strange... I have tried many of your firmware versions, the most "stable" one is your first one.
In Diagrom I always get RAM errors on all ranges/banks, everything is red, but with 3.1 ROM the system starts from disk and systest reports that RAM is ok, I tested it for 100 rounds.
With IDE I get disk errors but with the first firmware I'm able to boot to workbench sometimes but no fast RAM is detected...

The latest(?) firmware from your youtube video with the single bus-file is not working at all. I have tried 50MHz, 40MHz and 32MHz Oscillators on 2 cards. The 50MHz one is using the 60MHz firmware. I have tested the 40MHz and 32MHz ones with 33/40/60 firmwares.

Do you have a firmware which is not optimized for speed, a slow and stable one I could test?
I can test the cards with 24 Oscillator.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by mattymuc

Yes, I have diagrom and I use Alliance RAM, the one you have in your BOM.

It's very strange... I have tried many of your firmware versions, the most "stable" one is your first one.
In Diagrom I always get RAM errors on all ranges/banks, everything is red, but with 3.1 ROM the system starts from disk and systest reports that RAM is ok, I tested it for 100 rounds.
With IDE I get disk errors but with the first firmware I'm able to boot to workbench sometimes but no fast RAM is detected...

The latest(?) firmware from your youtube video with the single bus-file is not working at all. I have tried 50MHz, 40MHz and 32MHz Oscillators on 2 cards. The 50MHz one is using the 60MHz firmware. I have tested the 40MHz and 32MHz ones with 33/40/60 firmwares.

Do you have a firmware which is not optimized for speed, a slow and stable one I could test?
I can test the cards with 24 Oscillator.

The latest version (24/9/2017) should be good. I have that running on the TF534S. If DiagROM is giving you red then there is something very up. Sure the ram is really soldered down?

[mattymuc]

Originally Posted by plasmab

The latest version (24/9/2017) should be good. I have that running on the TF534S. If DiagROM is giving you red then there is something very up. Sure the ram is really soldered down?

CPLD and RAM are perfectly soldered down. No shorts or unsoldered pins. Then I got a bad batch of ram but I don't understand why systest detects 2MB fast mem and test is ok for 100 rounds?! Very strange...
I tried the firmware version 24/9/2017 but system is not booting with this one. You use 24MHz on your TF534S?

[keith]

Hi @ plasmab, nice update thanks for the vid, if the zorro 3 becomes a nightmare then, I am happy with zorro2!
The only crazy idea that I have, did you tried just for the fun of it a A3000 Zorro 3 memory base address range, then go trying different 3.1 kick-start roms, sorry if I am way off with this post, then please forgive me.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by mattymuc

CPLD and RAM are perfectly soldered down. No shorts or unsoldered pins. Then I got a bad batch of ram but I don't understand why systest detects 2MB fast mem and test is ok for 100 rounds?! Very strange...
I tried the firmware version 24/9/2017 but system is not booting with this one. You use 24MHz on your TF534S?

Yeah I am on 24Mhz. I had a small stability issue with interrupts. Could you try running the interrupt test in DiagROM a bunch of times and see what you get please?

[plasmab]

Hmmmm.. https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-127

"The ROMs for 68000-based systems (Amiga 1000, 500, 500 Plus, 2000, 600) can in general also be used on newer systems, except for their graphics.library not supporting AGA features and expansion.library not supporting 32-bit Fast RAM (unless such RAM came with its own ROM to add the RAM) and Zorro III cards. The Amiga 600 scsi.device should also work on the Amiga 1200 (but not on the Amiga 3000 or 4000)."

[8 Bit Dreams]

Originally Posted by plasmab

Hmmmm.. https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-127

"The ROMs for 68000-based systems (Amiga 1000, 500, 500 Plus, 2000, 600) can in general also be used on newer systems, except for their graphics.library not supporting AGA features and expansion.library not supporting 32-bit Fast RAM (unless such RAM came with its own ROM to add the RAM) and Zorro III cards. The Amiga 600 scsi.device should also work on the Amiga 1200 (but not on the Amiga 3000 or 4000)."

thanks Steve! watched Your update right now, seems that it's indeed rom related, mate..
Of course Zorro III brings a lot of fun and many interesting experiments, and yes, if you are able to build TF card - there will be no problem to patch the ROM to enable 32bit fast RAM support.. in other hand there will be a lot of people not so familiar with it, and they will wonder why TF534s card isn't working on a standard A500/2000...
in my opinion best option is to leave it as Zorro II (if it works like that) as a standard, and maybe, if You will get some mojo and some time, You can build an experimental firmware with a custom ROM and Zorro III support..
regards,

-Viktor

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

thanks Steve! watched Your update right now, seems that it's indeed rom related, mate..

Of course Zorro III brings a lot of fun and many interesting experiments, and yes, if you are able to build TF card - there will be no problem to patch the ROM to enable 32bit fast RAM support.. in other hand there will be a lot of people not so familiar with it, and they will wonder why TF534s card isn't working on a standard A500/2000...

in my opinion best option is to leave it as Zorro II (if it works like that) as a standard, and maybe, if You will get some mojo and some time, You can build an experimental firmware with a custom ROM and Zorro III support..

regards,



-Viktor

More or less agree. I’m pondering if there is enough space on the big CPLD for enough code to config the ZIII card. It’s 4 OS calls. ISTR there was an address space which you could put a byte wide rom ... which would get copied to ram and run. Need to read up on this. The code needed would be tiny.