PC games that made the Amiga look like Shit

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by Zak

And the 68060 didn't speed up the machine so much, because I noticed that I have 16 bit Chip Ram in my machine and that just slowed down everything.

Then you got the only ever built A4000 with 16bit ChipRAM. Gratulations!
Now it is really getting ridiculous...

It is certainly no shame in being no expert or forgetting things over time, but please stop stating nonsense as facts.

[Zak]

Originally Posted by sokolovic

It is very hard top believe that you bought an A4000 by 1994, upgraded it with a 68060 and kept it up until 1998 without bothering to ask to your local retailer (who surely knews this domaine considering Amiga retailer selling upgraded A4000 and expansion cards surely knews something called aminet and how to get software on it) if there was a possibility to enhance compatibility of your machine with older Amiga software. (And just Ask if it was normal that only 10% of thé software supposedly worked on your machine).
At best your memory is playing with you, if You're not playing with us.

I didn't say I had my Amiga 4000 in 1994, but after Commodore went bankcrupt in 1994. I really don't remember the exact year. 1996? And I did ask the retailer if he could improve compatibility. His answer would be, that he can't help me with software that I didn't buy there. Edit: It'S a different store than what I got my A500 from.

[Zak]

Originally Posted by Gorf

Then you got the only ever built A4000 with 16bit ChipRAM. Gratulations!
Now it is really getting ridiculous...

It is certainly no shame in being no expert or forgetting things over time, but please stop stating nonsense as facts.

Incredible what I am going through here. I will make photographs, but this will need some time. I will make an extra thread for that.

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by Zak

Incredible what I am going through here. I will make photographs, but this will need some time. I will make an extra thread for that.

ChipRAM is 32bit wide in all AGA machines - it simply does not work otherwise ... but please feel free to make photographs.

[Daedalus]

Originally Posted by Zak

There were no magazines anymore, when I got my A4000/030/50Mhz, it was after Commodore went bankcrupt in 1994, and all retailers took Amiga magazines off the shelf where I live.

Must be quite a small town then - there were Amiga magazines on the shelves where I grew up until 2001, and the last Amiga magazine I bought in Germany was in the summer of 1999 - at that point, Amiga magazines were still commonplace in larger towns, and Berlin even had a bricks-and-mortar Amiga shop! But still, you must have had some sort of decent knowledge of Amiga use - after all, you set your A4000 up with a TCP/IP stack and a browser, which is not an insignificant task.

Not many people had Amigas near where I lived, but everyone that did, knew about degraders and the various methods that could be employed to get early games to boot. Maybe it was just the types of games I played, but I don't remember having much hassle getting games to boot on my A1200...

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by Zak

Because it's a matter of fact. Everything Amiga (software or hardware) I bought was from my local computer store

vs.

And I did ask the retailer if he could improve compatibility. His answer would be, that he can't help me with software that I didn't buy there.

Since you insist you bought EVERYTHING* from the same store, why would't they help you?

*) except magazines, because they had everything, even 060 cards, but no magazines ...

[Zak]

No extra thread. How did that thing with attaching images work?

Edit: Ok got it

[sokolovic]

An Escom 4000T 030/50mhz with 16MB chip ram is surely a strange beast ! But that could explain your compatibility problems maybe. Anyway, you're a rich guy !

https://bigbookofamigahardware.com/b...duct.aspx?id=4

[Gorf]

Sadly high-res but totally out of focus ....

Can't really read the label, but it seems to be an Amiga Technologies (Escom) A4000T
So 1995/96 seems realistic.
Would be interesting what 030-CPU-Card you got. This must have been non-standard.

Nevertheless:
As long as it is not just a A4000T case but also got the original motherboard built in, your ChipRAM is 32bit wide.

[Zak]

Originally Posted by Gorf

Sadly high-res but totally out of focus ....

Can't really read the label, but it seems to be an Amiga Technologies (Escom) A4000T
So 1995/96 seems realistic.
Would be interesting what 030-CPU-Card you got. This must have been non-standard.

Nevertheless:
As long as it is not just a A4000T case but also got the original motherboard built in, your ChipRAM is 32bit wide.

I never got it with 040. I got a replacement 030 card and they took the 040 for it. I don't know if I still got that board. At the moment the thing is equipped with a 060. As for the 16bit memory that was a hint from someone who looked at the machine 20 years ago (no I don't remember the year!). I am nervous to open the case now. I didn't do that since around then.

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by Zak

I am nervous to open the case now. I didn't do that since around then.

What could possibly go wrong? (famous last words )

No seriously: these cases are actually made to be opened quite easily.

[oscar_ates]

I do really think Doom killed the Amiga and Commodore

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by oscar_ates

I do really think Doom killed the Amiga and Commodore

by time travel ?

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by oscar_ates

I do really think Doom killed the Amiga and Commodore

It's not Doom.
It's the people who like to run and shoot, through low polygon rooms, with low res ugly textures.

[Megalomaniac]

Doom was released well over a year before Commodore went bankrupt, so it had an effect. Like it or not, people bought PCs primarily to play that. As the various attempts prove, the A1200 couldn't do it as well as a similar speed PC, with compromises on either detail level or screen size, and the A500 couldn't really do it at all. It was the first PC-only game to really feel mainstream here in the UK, as it was a pure action game whereas the previous ones that exceeded the Amiga's limit were mostly sims and strategy, and it probably had a bigger effect in the Uk than Wing Commander did.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by Megalomaniac

Doom was released well over a year before Commodore went bankrupt, so it had an effect.

Doom released in December 1993.
Commodore went bankrupt in May 1994.

[Megalomaniac]

Blimey, I'd assumed from vague memory that it was earlier than that, my mistake.

[Mad-Matt]

Commodore killed themselves. Amiga still did ok for a while under Escom. We did finally get Doom on Amiga though and it did help sales of accelerator cards I'm sure. Too bad the effort wasn't put in years earlier.

Doom also looked nicer on my Amiga TV (hires in comparison) than it ever did on the blocky vga monitor.

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by Mad-Matt

Doom also looked nicer on my Amiga TV (hires in comparison) than it ever did on the blocky vga monitor.

Man.. I'd like to see Doom on CRT.
Can't play it myself, because I have A500 with Aca 500+, and it's not enough to run it.

[Marce]

nobody purchased a PC in 1993 -1994 to play doom, that's a stupid myth floating around some frustrated amiga fans and youtubers

ppl who purchased a PC in those years was basically to study in the secondary or university,or even to work .also to learn pascal that was used in the era to learn other programming languages

the commodore computers never were serious or considered serious ,
basically the Amigas were toys excepting for a few who edited video
most ppl considered the PC a real tool to work or study ,nothing related to games or something like that