Compileable version of Alien Breed 3D II - The Killing Grounds - Page 101

Karlos · 11 April 2023, 20:31

How does your experience compare with this?
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paraj · 11 April 2023, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Is that the developer or the release version? What results do you get for SysSpeed for CPU and Memory?

Haven't used SysSpeed before and it doesn't seem to run with default install, but I usually have around ~5.5MB/s fast->chip transfer. Experience doesn't seem that far from what AmiPal video is showing, but since I don't see any hard numbers (from a quick browse) it's hard to compare.

Karlos · 11 April 2023, 20:56

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Originally Posted by paraj

Haven't used SysSpeed before and it doesn't seem to run with default install, but I usually have around ~5.5MB/s fast->chip transfer. Experience doesn't seem that far from what AmiPal video is showing, but since I don't see any hard numbers (from a quick browse) it's hard to compare.

I was wondering if you have something misconfigured like not remapping the ROM or execbase etc to fast memory. Anything causing the 060 to underperform.

Karlos · 11 April 2023, 20:58

Amipal was getting 16fps fullscreen 1x1 in the opening location and up to 30 at 2/3 size. At least that's what the FPS counter was reporting. General gameplay at 2/3 size was around 25-30fps in his video.

Karlos · 11 April 2023, 21:44

Unrelated, how do we feel about having a button that disables the auto aim adjustment and maybe adds a small crosshair when it's inactive?

abu_the_monkey · 11 April 2023, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Unrelated, how do we feel about having a button that disables the auto aim adjustment and maybe adds a small crosshair when it's inactive?

auto aim disable option, yes please

crosshair, not against it but, optional maybe? would have to try it with and without to be sure.

edit: also this option should only apply to mouse control as you would get whooped without auto aim in keyboard only and joystick control.

abu_the_monkey · 12 April 2023, 02:07

builds of the current main

any feed back is a bonus

abu_the_monkey · 12 April 2023, 02:35

dumb question coming,

when the sfx were moved to fast memory did this create extra lag on c2p to chip ram?

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 05:31

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Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

dumb question coming,

when the sfx were moved to fast memory did this create extra lag on c2p to chip ram?

This was done ages ago, long before Amipal tested it. There's a software mixing step anyway, which is hampered by having the data in chip memory.

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 05:38

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Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

auto aim disable option, yes please

crosshair, not against it but, optional maybe? would have to try it with and without to be sure.

edit: also this option should only apply to mouse control as you would get whooped without auto aim in keyboard only and joystick control.

Does anyone actually use Joystick?

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 14:17

Today I am planning on doing a little refactoring. Previously I extracted a ton of zero initialised player global variables into the BSS section which now contains basically duplicate definitions for player 1 and player 2 (tiny bit of reordering needed). There's a lot of duplicated code that does the exact same thing for each player and differs only in which set of globals it refers to.

I've created a proper STRUCTURE definition to match the memory layout so that the code can be reworked to accept the appropriate player as a pointer and the same code can be used for both players. Less code to maintain and easier to add new features when you only have one copy.

samo79 · 12 April 2023, 17:13

It might be useful to add a versioning to the executable file/s .. in this way it would be easier to track the (beta) version used :-)

vroom6sri · 12 April 2023, 17:30

I had a quick blast on the version in post 2007 on my A1200 with ACA1230/56 and in the default smaller screen size (2/3?) it plays quite nicely. It’s quite playable with 10+ FPS most of the time.

Thanks to all involved for all your efforts with this.

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 18:02

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Originally Posted by vroom6sri

I had a quick blast on the version in post 2007 on my A1200 with ACA1230/56 and in the default smaller screen size (2/3?) it plays quite nicely. It’s quite playable with 10+ FPS most of the time.

Thanks to all involved for all your efforts with this.

How does pressing F8 affect your framerate?

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 18:03

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Originally Posted by samo79

It might be useful to add a versioning to the executable file/s .. in this way it would be easier to track the (beta) version used :-)

We probably need to adopt semantic versioning because we each have various branches testing different stuff

Angus · 12 April 2023, 18:19

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Originally Posted by abu_the_monkey

builds of the current main

any feed back is a bonus

I'll try and get that sorted today/tomorrow on my 1200/060. Any specific things you want me to look out for?

grond · 12 April 2023, 18:20

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Originally Posted by vroom6sri

I had a quick blast on the version in post 2007 on my A1200 with ACA1230/56 and in the default smaller screen size (2/3?) it plays quite nicely. It’s quite playable with 10+ FPS most of the time.

Thanks to all involved for all your efforts with this.

I remember that the original version was completely unplayable on my 1230-50 back in the day which should be something like 90% of the speed of your ACA. Overall performance seems to have improved a LOT with all the optimisations. Little drops of water, little grains of sand, make that mighty ocean and that pleasant land!

abu_the_monkey · 12 April 2023, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Angus

I'll try and get that sorted today/tomorrow on my 1200/060. Any specific things you want me to look out for?

nothing in particular, just general stuff speed, any 'new' glitches, etc. but do try the 'F8' option for simple walls please

Karlos · 12 April 2023, 20:09

I have a pretty hefty PR I've tagged @pipper for review. Now that the player data has been bss'd and reordered a bit, loads of player 1/2 duplicate code has been reduced to a single path. I've playtested a few levels and have no reason at all to assume anything is broken.

What I need is a way to test 2 player mode. Can 2 instances of UAE talk to each other via some sort of virtual serial port?

abu_the_monkey · 12 April 2023, 20:09

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Originally Posted by vroom6sri

I had a quick blast on the version in post 2007 on my A1200 with ACA1230/56 and in the default smaller screen size (2/3?) it plays quite nicely. It’s quite playable with 10+ FPS most of the time.

Thanks to all involved for all your efforts with this.

Awesome stuff

please do check out the 'F8' option for simple walls like Karlos said, it would be nice to know how big a difference it makes

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11 April 2023, 20:31	#2001
Karlos Alien Bleed Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 4,394	How does your experience compare with this? [ Show youtube player ]

11 April 2023, 20:58	#2004
Karlos Alien Bleed Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 4,394	Amipal was getting 16fps fullscreen 1x1 in the opening location and up to 30 at 2/3 size. At least that's what the FPS counter was reporting. General gameplay at 2/3 size was around 25-30fps in his video.

11 April 2023, 21:44	#2005
Karlos Alien Bleed Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 4,394	Unrelated, how do we feel about having a button that disables the auto aim adjustment and maybe adds a small crosshair when it's inactive?

12 April 2023, 02:35	#2008
abu_the_monkey Registered User Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Bicester Posts: 2,018	dumb question coming, when the sfx were moved to fast memory did this create extra lag on c2p to chip ram?

12 April 2023, 14:17	#2011
Karlos Alien Bleed Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 4,394	Today I am planning on doing a little refactoring. Previously I extracted a ton of zero initialised player global variables into the BSS section which now contains basically duplicate definitions for player 1 and player 2 (tiny bit of reordering needed). There's a lot of duplicated code that does the exact same thing for each player and differs only in which set of globals it refers to. I've created a proper STRUCTURE definition to match the memory layout so that the code can be reworked to accept the appropriate player as a pointer and the same code can be used for both players. Less code to maintain and easier to add new features when you only have one copy.

12 April 2023, 17:13	#2012
samo79 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Italy Posts: 159	It might be useful to add a versioning to the executable file/s .. in this way it would be easier to track the (beta) version used :-)

12 April 2023, 17:30	#2013
vroom6sri Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Peterborough Age: 47 Posts: 855	I had a quick blast on the version in post 2007 on my A1200 with ACA1230/56 and in the default smaller screen size (2/3?) it plays quite nicely. It’s quite playable with 10+ FPS most of the time. Thanks to all involved for all your efforts with this.

12 April 2023, 20:09	#2019
Karlos Alien Bleed Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: UK Posts: 4,394	I have a pretty hefty PR I've tagged @pipper for review. Now that the player data has been bss'd and reordered a bit, loads of player 1/2 duplicate code has been reduced to a single path. I've playtested a few levels and have no reason at all to assume anything is broken. What I need is a way to test 2 player mode. Can 2 instances of UAE talk to each other via some sort of virtual serial port?

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