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barkingboy · 17 October 2010, 12:39

Hi,

Sorry to ask a question that has probably been asked many times before but...

In the past I have dumped Amiga disks for the CAPS/SPS project on my A1200. Will these boards allow me to do the same using my PC (using appropriate disk drives)? I have a number of C64 & PC HD disks.

Thanks

IFW · 17 October 2010, 14:13

Yes, that's the point

Plus any platform that uses a disk and can be attached; some might require an interface cable.

Eclipse · 26 October 2010, 23:33

Slap me if it's been asked before but...... Floppies in WinUAE?

mr.vince · 27 October 2010, 00:11

D'oh!

Really... these old gems should not be tortured by regular usage. You don't want a real floppy in WinUAE.

Yes, theoretically this is possible. But it's not going to come from us. Make an image, use this instead...

gizmomelb · 29 October 2010, 01:59

just ordered and paid for my kyroflux.. you're not joking about the limited quantities.

here's hoping it arrives before Christmas to the Land down under.

Slayer · 29 October 2010, 07:00

At least you saw an indicator and obtained one, I arrived home from work and there's no number beside the KF

sucks really, with my history I should have got a reserved one! LOL

mr.vince · 29 October 2010, 10:29

Relax. We've promised to spread stock over the day, so everyone gets a chance. Retry. Now is a good opportunity!

Slayer · 29 October 2010, 11:30

I see what you mean ;-)

Seemed to have missed out of the only premium rendition.

Never mind though, paid for an Advanced pack and a Floppy drive

I'm sure I buy a power source locally? Maybe one of my old modem AC adapters could work or I do have a variable one around here somewhere... don't want to blow the board up afterall!

Very Exciting don't you think!

Thanks Team!

29 October 2010, 11:53

What I'm thinking of doing is using an external SCSI enclosure designed for three 5.25" devices - it contains a PSU providing Molex connectors with +5 and +12V, and enough room to fit two floppy drives and the Kryoflux board, powered using a Berg connector (see the Kryoflux manual for details).

Slayer · 29 October 2010, 12:01

I did think of that too (wasn't sure though if the board itself needs more power than what is supplied by the USB connection?)

eg I have an external SCSI SUN brand enclosure designed to house 4 HDs

mr.vince · 29 October 2010, 12:49

Your ideas are good... these enclosures are what we use here for testing, too. They are just to heavy to mail around the world. You might have noticed we have really fair shipping prices.

Just for the record... the board itself works with USB power only. No PSU needed. Really. You just greatly enhance your chance to blow it up.

You just need to power your floppy drive.

mr.vince · 29 October 2010, 12:50

BTW Premium will return. But shipping is ugly expensive because of PSU.

Slayer · 29 October 2010, 12:58

Very cool then, we are sorted and best of all I won't need to blow the board up

mr.vince · 29 October 2010, 14:54

The problem are cheap PSUs. Sometimes they deliver +1 or +2v than expected, and sometimes they deliver certain spikes, e.g. when plugging the into mains or disconnecting them. We have a voltage regulator on the board that protects the main CPU, and we do have a big capacitor that's intended to flatten out hf noise and other nasties. Still... there's a reason lab PSUs are so expensive...

Loedown · 30 October 2010, 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

The problem are cheap PSUs. Sometimes they deliver +1 or +2v than expected, and sometimes they deliver certain spikes, e.g. when plugging the into mains or disconnecting them. We have a voltage regulator on the board that protects the main CPU, and we do have a big capacitor that's intended to flatten out hf noise and other nasties. Still... there's a reason lab PSUs are so expensive...

I am deeply surprised that you didn't make the whole thing soft start with a string of varying values of capacitors to take out spikes at every frequency, encase the units into shielded and grounded RF boxes, offer a complimentary lightning spike and HAZMAT suit with every one

I for one appreciate that you didn't include crap quality Chinese PSUs, it's like making sure that the 10 cent fuse is adequately protected against the blowing up of the $300 picture tube.

mr.vince · 30 October 2010, 22:41

BTW... just for the record... did anyone notice we started shipping? It's only batch by batch... but we're making progress!

prowler · 30 October 2010, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.vince

...and we do have a big capacitor that's intended to flatten out hf noise and other nasties.

Loedown's right, you know. Big capactors filter out lf noise, while small capactors take out hf noise.

mr.vince · 31 October 2010, 11:57

huh, nitpicking style?

but you're right of course. i did not mention we also have very small ones.

chunky_tesco · 31 October 2010, 16:24

Ordered mine

but just wondered whether I can use Kryoflux on a mac running XP as a VM?

gilgamesh · 31 October 2010, 18:53

You can use the closed source version of VirtualBox from Oracle. It supports USB.

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17 October 2010, 12:39	#181
barkingboy Zone Friend Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 151	Hi, Sorry to ask a question that has probably been asked many times before but... In the past I have dumped Amiga disks for the CAPS/SPS project on my A1200. Will these boards allow me to do the same using my PC (using appropriate disk drives)? I have a number of C64 & PC HD disks. Thanks

17 October 2010, 14:13	#182
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Yes, that's the point Plus any platform that uses a disk and can be attached; some might require an interface cable.

26 October 2010, 23:33	#183
Eclipse Turpentine Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 744	Slap me if it's been asked before but...... Floppies in WinUAE?

27 October 2010, 00:11	#184
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	D'oh! Really... these old gems should not be tortured by regular usage. You don't want a real floppy in WinUAE. Yes, theoretically this is possible. But it's not going to come from us. Make an image, use this instead...

29 October 2010, 01:59	#185
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 55 Posts: 541	just ordered and paid for my kyroflux.. you're not joking about the limited quantities. here's hoping it arrives before Christmas to the Land down under.

29 October 2010, 07:00	#186
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 57 Posts: 695	At least you saw an indicator and obtained one, I arrived home from work and there's no number beside the KF sucks really, with my history I should have got a reserved one! LOL

29 October 2010, 10:29	#187
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	Relax. We've promised to spread stock over the day, so everyone gets a chance. Retry. Now is a good opportunity!

29 October 2010, 11:30	#188
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 57 Posts: 695	I see what you mean ;-) Seemed to have missed out of the only premium rendition. Never mind though, paid for an Advanced pack and a Floppy drive I'm sure I buy a power source locally? Maybe one of my old modem AC adapters could work or I do have a variable one around here somewhere... don't want to blow the board up afterall! Very Exciting don't you think! Thanks Team!

29 October 2010, 11:53	#189
skitt Posts: n/a	What I'm thinking of doing is using an external SCSI enclosure designed for three 5.25" devices - it contains a PSU providing Molex connectors with +5 and +12V, and enough room to fit two floppy drives and the Kryoflux board, powered using a Berg connector (see the Kryoflux manual for details).

29 October 2010, 12:01	#190
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 57 Posts: 695	I did think of that too (wasn't sure though if the board itself needs more power than what is supplied by the USB connection?) eg I have an external SCSI SUN brand enclosure designed to house 4 HDs

29 October 2010, 12:49	#191
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	Your ideas are good... these enclosures are what we use here for testing, too. They are just to heavy to mail around the world. You might have noticed we have really fair shipping prices. Just for the record... the board itself works with USB power only. No PSU needed. Really. You just greatly enhance your chance to blow it up. You just need to power your floppy drive.

29 October 2010, 12:50	#192
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	BTW Premium will return. But shipping is ugly expensive because of PSU.

29 October 2010, 12:58	#193
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 57 Posts: 695	Very cool then, we are sorted and best of all I won't need to blow the board up

29 October 2010, 14:54	#194
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	The problem are cheap PSUs. Sometimes they deliver +1 or +2v than expected, and sometimes they deliver certain spikes, e.g. when plugging the into mains or disconnecting them. We have a voltage regulator on the board that protects the main CPU, and we do have a big capacitor that's intended to flatten out hf noise and other nasties. Still... there's a reason lab PSUs are so expensive...

30 October 2010, 22:41	#196
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	BTW... just for the record... did anyone notice we started shipping? It's only batch by batch... but we're making progress!

31 October 2010, 11:57	#198
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	huh, nitpicking style? but you're right of course. i did not mention we also have very small ones.

31 October 2010, 16:24	#199
chunky_tesco Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 71	Ordered mine but just wondered whether I can use Kryoflux on a mac running XP as a VM?

31 October 2010, 18:53	#200
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	You can use the closed source version of VirtualBox from Oracle. It supports USB.

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