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That said, having gone through the hard knocks school of writing 'C' for the Amiga (started in 1988, if I remember correctly) has served me well in all these years. Quote:
Oh well, it's not as if we haven't been there before. Quote:
This particular SCSI driver is a combination of the unified scsi.device build, which encompasses ST/XT/IDE/WD/LSI hardware, and the rather too complex LSI Logic hardware itself. This SCSI hardware is programmable, and the A4091 device downloads a control script to it during initialization. This is some extraordinarily complex code. The author, Randell Jesup, sat on the ANSI SCSI committee for Commodore, if I remember correctly. Quote:
From my point of view it was possible to see how many hats the different developers used to wear at the time the original Kickstart 1.x was built. You could also see how much interaction there was between the engineers who designed the low level drivers and .resources. This looked like the work of a very small, dedicated team to me. I have worked in, and with teams like that. It looked familiar to me. What neither of us can see is the history beyond the 1985 starting point of the RCS history. It's possible that such a history exists, maybe in the form of SCCS files. The collaboration between Dale Luck and RJ Mical was said to be very close when graphics.library and intuition.library were "cast". This cannot be seen in the RCS change history, which seems to begin right when Commodore acquired Amiga, Inc. |
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I wrote a bunch of ELISP code wrapping around Emacs' RCS support to mine statistics and relationships etc. Great history fun :-) Quote:
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When looking at the tree/history of AmigaOS you see a pattern of really big (and often impressive) large code drops by the Big Names and then only very little continued feature development by others. All this stuff is the most fascinating Amiga history in years (ever!). Its so sad that Cloanto/Hyperion cant just put this on AF or whatever under a read-only license for historical value. |
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I guess I should have read more into this. I just bought it and noticed after when I got the download link its only in single .rom format???? I needed to burn this and cant. Can someone tell me what I need to do so I can burn this to a 27c400? I need it in .bin and more than likely bite swapped I assume.
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I dont have such 3.1 update, but I thought it would be good to be supported. |
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There is also Kickstart v3.2 r43.1 (1996)(Escom AG)(Walker).rom maybe doobrey will add this too ?
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A message to the Amiga community and (supposed) AmigaOS copyright holders: I want AmigaOS 3.1 re-licensed under the GPL, and I will contribute $50,000 to any pot of funds seriously set on that goal. Is there any lawyer present who would have an interest see to its legal disentanglement, while holding this and future funds in escrow?
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Don't belittle his gesture. If it comes down to a serious legal fight I would also contribute. Although I'm far from 50,000 bucks But I'm sure others would step up too.
Quite a lot of people is tired from legal shenanigans Hyperion and Cloanto are pulling. And to think I once loved Cloanto for PPaint... |
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Awesome gesture, I really hope someone takes up the offer - I wonder if there are any like-minded souls on here or the other amiga sites like a1k or amibay?
If the groundwork can be completed, then expand into crowdsourcing if there aren't sufficient funds? |
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Before deciding on a detail like crowdfunding or not, we need first to find an attorney who can disentangle things. The Amiga Documents site would need to be reviewed carefully, and probably quite a lot of additional documentation would need to be pulled. After that, some kind of strategic briefing should be generated by the attorney, and the relevant parties would need to be approached with an opening offer. This would all be time-consuming, which is why I would love to have leading this, an attorney who is also an Amiga fan. I feel like it might be a good idea to ask someone like David Pleasance. Do any of you know him?
Only after the above is done can we move forward. I am under no illusions about the fact that this will be costly. On the other hand, I believe that michaelz' intuition is correct: The disentanglement may be the most expensive part. Therefore, if the $50K only gets us to a clear strategic briefing (i.e. how to move forward when there are further funds), that's certainly better than nothing. We can raise more at that point, to see the rest through. If any of you guys are serious about a legal, open source AmigaOS 3.1, lets talk. I'm offering this because I can't stand this nonsense any longer; hopefully I am not the only one. |
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In what way would David Pleasance be able to help out? He's not been involved with the Amiga since the Commodore days.
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Simply, he may know an attorney that retains a love for the Amiga. Especially since he has been heavily networking in the Amiga world lately, with an autobiographical book about his experiences at Commodore coming soon. In addition he's been reassembling some of his old team for the FriendUp project.
Its possible that he knows no one relevant who would give a toss, but I intuit that it is worth a shot. |
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I did mean crowdfunding for initial legal funds should the generous offer not be sufficient to attract a suitable lawyer.
That said, there are plenty of avenues to explore before we get to that. |
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A complete plan would include affordable mass produced 68k hardware, probably including a 68k ASIC. It is unlikely possible to achieve a price as cheap as a Raspberry Pi but a 68k product would have more value due to uniqueness. Staying 68k keeps the biggest part of the Amiga community together and allows it to grow. Without new affordable hardware, you might as well wait for Hyperion and A-Eon to go bankrupt or give up and buy up all the Amiga assets in the fire sale. |
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Cloanto want to open source OS3.1 too, but it is not their call to make.
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matt, you outline a complete utopia..
apart of that, on one hand you dont want to have power in hands of a few, but you wont give it freely to the people either.. even if it took off, it would end like your engagement with apollo team, the guys who do the most work, might well keep it away from access of others, who they ve chosen not to be worthy. whats the difference, now? |
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