Final Fight Speculation - Page 10

saimon69 · 22 December 2018, 08:42

Wonder if some hacking could fix stuff, then you can add my music ^^

Brick Nash · 23 April 2019, 21:27

Hey folks,

I don't know if this thread is dead or not but I thought I'd chime in anyway.

Final Fight was never going to fully work on the OCS machines and even the ECS 68000 machines would have struggled. However has anyone considered just a straight port using the 1991 game's graphics to the Amiga 1200? With a game like Final Fight speed is everything so while the reduced palette might not be pretty it might be good for maximum functionality while preserving the sprite size and accuracy (I think Leathered's port used reduced sprites). With the extra RAM it could hold all the player frames, and with the extra processing power there would be much less slowdown if the enemy numbers were kept sensible (maybe 4 on screen).

Personally I couldn't give a f**k about parallax scrolling or lots of colours. The original 1991 game looked fine to me, it just didn't have enough of the arcade game's player moves.

I was messing around in my paint program and I managed to apply the original 1991 Amiga game's palette to the arcade sprite sheet and so all the frames with the 16 colour palette are now available. The top row is Haggar's arcade "stance" (which was left out of the original Amiga port) plus his Amiga walking frames, and the second row is all the arcade walking frames (I could probably do the other player/enemy sprites if need be).

Maybe I'm talking out my arse, but it also may be something to consider if anyone is up for a "from scratch" Blitz port, or even a bare metal assembly if anyone has the stomach for it, because all the backgrounds are easily available from Codetappers site too.

sandruzzo · 24 April 2019, 10:00

@Brick Nash

If we reduce a little bit its' size as screen area, a very good porting can be done even on ocs/ecs!

gimbal · 24 April 2019, 12:58

Expected outcome:

- someone says yeah this is my dream project!
- EAB: cheers!
- months of steady progress
- EAB: good on you!
- silence
- silence
- EAB: soooo... any news?
- Distractions, kids, job, sickness, doing four projects at the same time
- EAB: sadness

Yes yes, I'm a pessimist. But I'm quoting history here, several times

PortuguesePilot · 24 April 2019, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Expected outcome:

- someone says yeah this is my dream project!
- EAB: cheers!
- months of steady progress
- EAB: good on you!
- silence
- silence
- EAB: soooo... any news?
- Distractions, kids, job, sickness, doing four projects at the same time
- EAB: sadness

Yes yes, I'm a pessimist. But I'm quoting history here, several times

Same here. I just don't say it anymore. But the feeling is still here. So many examples...

mcgeezer · 24 April 2019, 14:34

Technically I could do it as I've been playing the Arcade game with my 3 year old who absolutely loves it.

Would I want to though? I'd need a lot of incentive as I just don't feel the love with the game. There's also the risk of doing it... dangerous to do Capcom titles methinks.

I'd prefer to do another project if I'm honest.

Darkhelmet · 11 August 2019, 22:22

How about doing Yie Ar Kung-Fu.
That should be posible on ocs

d4rk3lf · 12 August 2019, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhelmet

How about doing Yie Ar Kung-Fu.
That should be posible on ocs

It's already in the works.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=master

Shatterhand · 12 August 2019, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

It's already in the works.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ghlight=master

Yie-ar Kung Fu and Kung Fu Master aren't the same game

d4rk3lf · 12 August 2019, 16:59

Oh my God

... I misread.

Hah...
I apologize.
I played them both on my C64, even I think I finished Yie-ar, but never been able to finish kung fu master.

Yeah, Yie-ar was awesome on C64, and I always wondered why they didn't attempt making Street Fighter 2 in that sort of speed, and play-ability.

mcgeezer · 27 August 2019, 13:48

For those interested you might want to tune in to Amiga Bill's next stream on Thursday.

Tigerskunk · 27 August 2019, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkhelmet

How about doing Yie Ar Kung-Fu.
That should be posible on ocs

Since YAKF is like one of my fave games from my childhood, I had already started working on this a year ago as a distraction from Inviyya. Prepared the sprite sheet and the basic engine. And yes, YAKF could be easily done on OCS.

But I thought, I should rather spend the time on finishing Inviyya and so I did...

d4rk3lf · 27 August 2019, 17:37

If anyone misses, check out this thread.
Great news!

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=98598

trydowave · 14 November 2020, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shatterhand

It doesn't look GREAT but it's far from being ugly. My problem with Amiga Final Fight if very far of being the graphics.

If the game played well with those graphics, I'd be very happy. Alas, if the game had the same weird animations, the same slowdowns, the same graphics but had the mechanics of the arcade game implemented properly, I'd already be happy.

(Oh, and Music. Just 3 sound effects and no music is very lame. I know Richard Applin saved room for music and US Gold just never gave him any piece of music to put in the game. That's probably why the game has only 3 sound effects, he was saving memory/sound channels for the music)

Agreed. The graphics arent bad. Technically, their quite good in some ways. The choice of colours leaves alot to be desired though. Just tweaking the gameplay, two button support and putting some music in, even chip tunes, would make it good rather than the massive disappointment it was.

Final Fight seems to be cursed on the Amiga. when others have tried bringing this game to the Amiga they've either, sadly passed away or the datas been lost forever. Similar to SF2, tons of versions but all missing the mark in some way.

Sigh. Maybe one day we'll see it done right.

dreadnought · 14 November 2020, 14:54

No need to cry over spilt milk, better to concentrate on the present.

ransom1122 · 14 November 2020, 15:12

Totally irrelevant but when I play Final Fight Arcade on my mister fpga it just warps me back to my youth when I used to dump coins in the arcade cabinet ..

Definitely the most accurate way ive ever played final fight...

AF2013 · 14 November 2020, 15:25

Back in 90's, Final Fight along with Operation Wolf, Outrun and Space Harriers in the Arcade was amazing and can now played at Leeds Arcade Club

I seem think Making Beat em up isnt easy because of collisions such punching the enemies as like you have work out rectangle collisions of the punch that connected the enemies as does that seem tricky?

saimon69 · 14 November 2020, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadnought

No need to cry over spilt milk, better to concentrate on the present.

Not all the time... hope THIS will be finished and ported once Fedepede health improves

[ Show youtube player ]

RichAplin · 17 November 2020, 11:38

Ooh Metro Siege looks really good - amazing what someone can do with Amiga beat-em-ups if they put their minds to it ;-)

trydowave · 18 November 2020, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by saimon69

Not all the time... hope THIS will be finished and ported once Fedepede health improves

[ Show youtube player ]

this is excellent

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22 December 2018, 08:42	#181
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,590	Wonder if some hacking could fix stuff, then you can add my music ^^

23 April 2019, 21:27	#182
Brick Nash Prototron Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 421	Hey folks, I don't know if this thread is dead or not but I thought I'd chime in anyway. Final Fight was never going to fully work on the OCS machines and even the ECS 68000 machines would have struggled. However has anyone considered just a straight port using the 1991 game's graphics to the Amiga 1200? With a game like Final Fight speed is everything so while the reduced palette might not be pretty it might be good for maximum functionality while preserving the sprite size and accuracy (I think Leathered's port used reduced sprites). With the extra RAM it could hold all the player frames, and with the extra processing power there would be much less slowdown if the enemy numbers were kept sensible (maybe 4 on screen). Personally I couldn't give a f**k about parallax scrolling or lots of colours. The original 1991 game looked fine to me, it just didn't have enough of the arcade game's player moves. I was messing around in my paint program and I managed to apply the original 1991 Amiga game's palette to the arcade sprite sheet and so all the frames with the 16 colour palette are now available. The top row is Haggar's arcade "stance" (which was left out of the original Amiga port) plus his Amiga walking frames, and the second row is all the arcade walking frames (I could probably do the other player/enemy sprites if need be). Maybe I'm talking out my arse, but it also may be something to consider if anyone is up for a "from scratch" Blitz port, or even a bare metal assembly if anyone has the stomach for it, because all the backgrounds are easily available from Codetappers site too.

24 April 2019, 10:00	#183
sandruzzo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Italy/Rome Posts: 2,344	@Brick Nash If we reduce a little bit its' size as screen area, a very good porting can be done even on ocs/ecs!

24 April 2019, 12:58	#184
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,962	Expected outcome: - someone says yeah this is my dream project! - EAB: cheers! - months of steady progress - EAB: good on you! - silence - silence - EAB: soooo... any news? - Distractions, kids, job, sickness, doing four projects at the same time - EAB: sadness Yes yes, I'm a pessimist. But I'm quoting history here, several times

24 April 2019, 14:34	#186
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	Technically I could do it as I've been playing the Arcade game with my 3 year old who absolutely loves it. Would I want to though? I'd need a lot of incentive as I just don't feel the love with the game. There's also the risk of doing it... dangerous to do Capcom titles methinks. I'd prefer to do another project if I'm honest.

11 August 2019, 22:22	#187
Darkhelmet Registered User Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Pandrup Posts: 6	How about doing Yie Ar Kung-Fu. That should be posible on ocs

12 August 2019, 16:59	#190
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,682	Oh my God ... I misread. Hah... I apologize. I played them both on my C64, even I think I finished Yie-ar, but never been able to finish kung fu master. Yeah, Yie-ar was awesome on C64, and I always wondered why they didn't attempt making Street Fighter 2 in that sort of speed, and play-ability.

27 August 2019, 17:37	#193
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,682	If anyone misses, check out this thread. Great news! http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=98598

14 November 2020, 14:54	#195
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 2,026	No need to cry over spilt milk, better to concentrate on the present.

14 November 2020, 15:12	#196
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,873	Totally irrelevant but when I play Final Fight Arcade on my mister fpga it just warps me back to my youth when I used to dump coins in the arcade cabinet .. Definitely the most accurate way ive ever played final fight...

14 November 2020, 15:25	#197
AF2013 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: . Posts: 261	Back in 90's, Final Fight along with Operation Wolf, Outrun and Space Harriers in the Arcade was amazing and can now played at Leeds Arcade Club I seem think Making Beat em up isnt easy because of collisions such punching the enemies as like you have work out rectangle collisions of the punch that connected the enemies as does that seem tricky?

17 November 2020, 11:38	#199
RichAplin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: san francisco/usa Posts: 176	Ooh Metro Siege looks really good - amazing what someone can do with Amiga beat-em-ups if they put their minds to it ;-)

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