26 September 2013, 09:07 | #1 |
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(Inter)Networking an A2000
What is the cheapest and / or easiest way of getting an A2000 on the internet?
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26 September 2013, 11:32 | #2 |
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Cheapest: RS232 + null modem + a suitable PPP server on another computer and you also need to buy and install a tcp/ip stack on the Amiga.
Easiest: buy and install a network card and a tcp/ip stack for the Amiga You didn't mention how powerful your A2000 is. If it has 1MB of RAM and a 68000, then you didn't realise it yet, but you don't actually want to network it at all. :-) |
26 September 2013, 11:34 | #3 |
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Hi Jope. Sorry - the A2000 currently has the standard 68000 but 9 MB RAM (1MB Chip, 8MB Fast).
Would any ISA network card work? |
26 September 2013, 11:57 | #4 |
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No. A2000, A3000 and A4000 ISA slots are not directly connected to the Amiga and not active without a bridgeboard. Something like a GoldenGate II. But these bridgeboards cost more than a dedicated Zorro Ethernet card.
X-Surf, Hydranet, Ariadne are all 10Mbit Zorro II network cards. With the release of the X-Surf 100 (100Mbit Zorro III). Lots of people are trying to unload their old network cards. Prices are going down but not by much. Expect to pay £80 However without an accelerator you can't do anything worth doing. Last edited by alexh; 26 September 2013 at 12:03. |
26 September 2013, 14:28 | #5 |
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http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/plipbox/
That uses the paralell port, direct to ethernet, and you can use any TCP stack just like you would with an ethernet card. It's not as fast as an ethernet card, but it's about 4 times faster than 56k dial-up. Zorro II ethernet cards do not perform with spectacular speed, even with the fastest cpu accelerators, and the cards are getting rather rare/expensive. Unless you need every ounce of speed you can get, I wouldn't waste the money. You will need a TCP stack regardless of what connection method you use. Roadshow is one of the fastest ones and is available in a demo version for free download. here is a pic of my A500 with the PLIPBox, in case you are interested: http://www.rasterline.com/images/PLIPBOX.jpg It costs about $20.00US in parts to build, and there are plenty of people on the various forums who can build one for you, if you prefer not to build it yourself. |
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26 September 2013, 16:25 | #7 |
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Using a serial null-modem cable and an online PC is the cheapest option, and more than sufficient for your machine I think.
Try this method with a null modem cable hooked up to a PC, it's a lot lighter on the Amiga side since it doesn't require a TCP/IP stack to be running: http://aminet.net/package/comm/net/mlink132 Speed is faster than a 56k modem, which is fast enough for just about anything you'd want to do on a 68000. It'll be fine for E-mail, chatting on IRC, battling your way through MUDs, even browsing some websites (slowly, but your CPU is the bottleneck here, not the transfer speed). |
26 September 2013, 16:43 | #8 |
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The Raspberry Pi can be used now as a SLIP host.
Pi plus an SD card and a few wires plus a level shifter. Total cost ~£35. [edit : I think this *may not work* with the Amiga as the serial port may be +/-12v and not +/-5v TTL] Last edited by alexh; 26 September 2013 at 17:20. |
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But i mean once again - use ARM as coprocessor perhaps even page rendering (application coprocessor) can be run on it... Even MC68000 software emulation (AROS?) then just displaying on Amiga. |
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29 September 2013, 22:54 | #11 |
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Aweb compatibility was poor when it was released (which is why everyone was always begging for a new browser port!). It must be getting even less compatible with every passing year with more and more updates to HTML, Flash, CSS, Javascript etc.
Intriguing fun getting it to work then 2 seconds later... you'll never use it again and switch to using the web-browser in your phone, TV, glasses or whatever comes along next... maybe web-enabled toilet paper. Don't waste your time, there REALLY isn't really anything worth doing on a 7MHz Amiga connected on the net. Play a game/demo instead. Something the Amiga is good for. |
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Seconded. If you want any classic Amiga to be usable online, use as fast a turbo board as you can get. With a decent 68030, things like mail, chat & ftp become quite usable.
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No experience with Amiga email clients, but AmFTP & AmIRC run just fine on the 68000.
I couldn't agree more that browsing the web on the Amiga is a horrible experience, but for sites such as aminet it is useful to download directly to the Amiga instead of downloading on a PC and transferring it over. |
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