Surf Squirrel CD32 emulation with ClassicWB_ADVSP?

dabone · 31 January 2010, 04:21

I installed ClassicWB ADVSP on my a1200 with a 030 and 32 meg of ram.
It's running just fine. I then installed my cdrom using the surf squirrel install disk, and selected cd and cd32 emulation.
My question is how do I run the cd32 emulation?
I can see the cdrom and read it after I boot, but I have no idea how to boot to cd32 discs.

Thanks,
later,
dabone

Solution follows....

The surfsquirrel install software places the cd32startup checking in the startup-sequence into the radboot section.

I chose to delete it completely from startup-sequence so I wouldn't have to remember to remove the cd32 disc from the drive when I rebooted.

To get it to work as a bootmenu option I deleted the cd32 section from startup sequence and added a menu option using button menu to the boot menu file. The bootmenu option needs to contain the command

c:execute s:cd32-startup

Buttonmenu is located at sys:expansion/bmenu/buttonmenu
The menu to edit is located at sys:expansion/bmenu/menus/bootmenu

Now to run it I just reboot, hold down the right mouse button and select
the cd32 emulator.

Later,
dabone

fitzsteve · 31 January 2010, 07:58

I have the exact same setup as you and I have had problems getting CD32 emulation working. If you boot with a CD32 title in the drive the emulator is supposed to load it automatically but for some reason this does not seem to work with CWB.

The only way I could get titles to boot was to enter the CD32 setup menu to do this you have to hold the left mouse button whilst booting but this also invokes the CWB boot menu so you have to do it at exactly the right time and I can only get it one out of 10 times so I have pretty much given up... If you can get it working please let me know how!

Good luck. Steve.

cosmicfrog · 31 January 2010, 09:51

then why don`t you edit the startupsequence befor you reset then
then you could have 2 startup sequences renaming the right one for the job at hand ie cd32 or clasic wb
a chore I know but it can be refined with iconx and a bit of scripting, Bloodwhch

Bloodwych · 31 January 2010, 12:24

fitzsteve, I thought you'd started editing your Startup-Sequence to sort this out?

As cosmicfrog said, the startup-sequence does need some user customization now and again as it always has with Workbench. What you need to do is identify what the actual surf squirrel install disk is meant to add to the startup-sequence, where it places any lines, then it should be fairly easy to sort out.

I'm sure it can be fixed if it works differently under ClassicWB than a normal standard Workbench install. It would just involve editing the Startup-Sequence a bit. It could even be added as an enable or disable option.

Retro1234 · 31 January 2010, 12:28

I think you can create a boot Floppy with the Squirrel CD32 Emu.

fitzsteve · 31 January 2010, 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

fitzsteve, I thought you'd started editing your Startup-Sequence to sort this out?

I tried and failed... I thought if I disabled the rad boot menu I would be able to use the CD32 setup menu but when I disabled the radboot menu I couldn't get the CD32 setup at all. (By holding left mouse on boot)

So I gave up....

Bloodwych · 31 January 2010, 12:48

Come on fitzsteve, Workbench always requires a bit of work now and again. ClassicWB can never be a fire and forget solution! The nature of Workbench means this from time to time ->

Did you examine your Startup-Sequence and identify what was added to allow this CD32 emulation?

If someone uploads the install disk, I'll have a look at the install sequence and try to see what it does. Creating a boot floppy as Boo Boo mentioned then uploading that would probably help too.

dabone · 31 January 2010, 16:55

I uploaded the file into the zone.

This floppy works for super star dust and Dangerous Streets/Wing Commander discs.

It doesn't work with the compiliation discs that I've tried.

Also in the archive are my startup-sequence and the cd32-startup that it is calling.

(Now, how do you control these programs? Buy a cd32 controller and plug it in??)

Later,
dabone

fitzsteve · 01 February 2010, 17:44

@Dabone

Thanks for sharing the bootdisk, I wrote it back to disk and tested quite a few CD32 games with it and they all booted on my A1200 fine

I had to change the CD0 info on the disk to ematscsi.device as I am using my SCSI on the accelerator card now.

@Bloodwych

I've attached my statup sequence, but am happy to continue using the boot disk but maybe it will help in solving this issue for future users?

Now I just need a CD32 pad to play those games

dabone · 02 February 2010, 16:13

I solved it, and posted the solution in my original message at the start of this thread.

Later,
dabone

fitzsteve · 02 February 2010, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabone

I solved it, and posted the solution in my original message at the start of this thread.

Later,
dabone

Nice work dabone and thanks for shaing the solution

cosmicfrog · 02 February 2010, 18:36

nice simple solution there dabone 10 out of 10

Bloodwych · 02 February 2010, 21:56

If you had a look at your startup-sequence, you can see the installer has dumped the CD32 line right after the first setpatch. Problem is, the first setpatch isn't in the same position as it is in a standard Workbench install. Very common for installers to get these things wrong when you customize your Workbench. I'll look at a solution in the next packs.

It's pretty easy to fix. I could add an option to the Maxmem menu, so you can select RADboot, KGLoad, CD32, Prompt and Reboot.

Then, the CD32 resources only get loaded when you hit the left mousebutton rather than loaded everytime Workbench boots.

Either way, I'll add support for this in the next packs.

desiv · 04 May 2012, 04:54

Bumping this thread back because I just got my Surf Squirrel.
Set CD32-Startup in the BootMenu as above.
(Took me a bit, I tried to edit the file, and "ed" complained about Binary data. Then I realized that the ButtonMenu is the command to edit it with a GUI. :-)

I do find I need to do 2 things in my early startup menu to get it to work.
1, I need to disable CPU caches. I suppose I could add an ACATUNE command to CD32-Startup to do that???
2, I need to select PAL. NTSC Amiga here, and I'm guessing most (ALL?) CD32 games are PAL? And I'm not aware of any software PAL switchers (that don't trigger a reboot).

No biggie tho, easy to pop in to the early boot menu.

Thanx for this thread!

desiv

Whitesnake · 05 May 2012, 00:21

Have you tried games like Cannon Fodder, Out To Lunch and James Pond 3.

desiv · 05 May 2012, 03:03

Actually, Canon Fodder was the first game I tried.
I got a screen that said it needs CD32 specific hardware to work.
So, apparently Canon Fodder isn't compatible.. (FMV???)
Then I tried Banshee, which works... Yay!
Not sure how many others work..
Not looking forward to burning a bunch of coasters to find out tho.. ;-)

Unfortunately, my CD ROM doesn't like CDRWs, so I can't use that to test...

All in all tho, it's pretty neat.
I was going to try the ISOs at the Dream17 site next.

desiv

Whitesnake · 05 May 2012, 03:33

Not FMV, it is Rob Northerns CD Loader which doesn't use Amiga DOS. I've been trying to look for a tool to maybe trick the loader into working when not in a CD32 environment.

Out To Lunch just won't start unless it is booted on a CD with CD32.TM I always wondered if there was a way to switch the CD32s mode via software from CD32 to CDTV and vice versa, Rather than being stuck with the choice of .TM "Trademark" when you create your CD.

desiv · 09 May 2012, 01:22

Not ClassicWB specific, but Surf Squirrel specific.
I have my Amiga set up with the PCMCIA reset and fix so I can leave my PCMCIA cards in when it boots.
After installing the squirrel, I noticed that I couldn't get my network card to work if I did that. I had to remove it and re-insert it.

Commented out the surf squirrel lines and it works again..

Think I'll try just running the squirrel commands after it boots to see if that works. Then I just call it if needed.
I figure I'll be using my network card much more than the squirrel anyway..

I had some issues with Simon.. Not sure if I have a weak burn (when I get it working, there's some graphics glitches and then it crashes) or not.. I'll try a different burner.. (Using the laptop one)
Also, I set up the CD32 emu as a boot option if I right click. Using ClassicWB, I right click and get the menu, and it's a menu option.
Well, that works, but with Simon, if I do that, the game starts with the graphics too low. It doesn't start drawing at the top of the screen, it starts down about 2 inches.
I have to use the CD32 boot floppy..

desiv

31 January 2010, 04:21	#1
dabone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chattanooga TN, USA Posts: 109	Surf Squirrel CD32 emulation with ClassicWB_ADVSP? (Solved!) I installed ClassicWB ADVSP on my a1200 with a 030 and 32 meg of ram. It's running just fine. I then installed my cdrom using the surf squirrel install disk, and selected cd and cd32 emulation. My question is how do I run the cd32 emulation? I can see the cdrom and read it after I boot, but I have no idea how to boot to cd32 discs. Thanks, later, dabone Solution follows.... The surfsquirrel install software places the cd32startup checking in the startup-sequence into the radboot section. I chose to delete it completely from startup-sequence so I wouldn't have to remember to remove the cd32 disc from the drive when I rebooted. To get it to work as a bootmenu option I deleted the cd32 section from startup sequence and added a menu option using button menu to the boot menu file. The bootmenu option needs to contain the command c:execute s:cd32-startup Buttonmenu is located at sys:expansion/bmenu/buttonmenu The menu to edit is located at sys:expansion/bmenu/menus/bootmenu Now to run it I just reboot, hold down the right mouse button and select the cd32 emulator. Later, dabone Last edited by dabone; 02 February 2010 at 13:29. Reason: Solution found

31 January 2010, 07:58	#2
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,685	I have the exact same setup as you and I have had problems getting CD32 emulation working. If you boot with a CD32 title in the drive the emulator is supposed to load it automatically but for some reason this does not seem to work with CWB. The only way I could get titles to boot was to enter the CD32 setup menu to do this you have to hold the left mouse button whilst booting but this also invokes the CWB boot menu so you have to do it at exactly the right time and I can only get it one out of 10 times so I have pretty much given up... If you can get it working please let me know how! Good luck. Steve. Last edited by fitzsteve; 31 January 2010 at 08:22.

31 January 2010, 12:24	#4
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	fitzsteve, I thought you'd started editing your Startup-Sequence to sort this out? As cosmicfrog said, the startup-sequence does need some user customization now and again as it always has with Workbench. What you need to do is identify what the actual surf squirrel install disk is meant to add to the startup-sequence, where it places any lines, then it should be fairly easy to sort out. I'm sure it can be fixed if it works differently under ClassicWB than a normal standard Workbench install. It would just involve editing the Startup-Sequence a bit. It could even be added as an enable or disable option. Last edited by Bloodwych; 31 January 2010 at 12:34.

31 January 2010, 16:55	#8
dabone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chattanooga TN, USA Posts: 109	I uploaded the file into the zone. This floppy works for super star dust and Dangerous Streets/Wing Commander discs. It doesn't work with the compiliation discs that I've tried. Also in the archive are my startup-sequence and the cd32-startup that it is calling. (Now, how do you control these programs? Buy a cd32 controller and plug it in??) Later, dabone Last edited by Graham Humphrey; 31 January 2010 at 22:48. Reason: Direct link to the Zone removed as it is against forum rules

01 February 2010, 17:44	#9
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,685	@Dabone Thanks for sharing the bootdisk, I wrote it back to disk and tested quite a few CD32 games with it and they all booted on my A1200 fine I had to change the CD0 info on the disk to ematscsi.device as I am using my SCSI on the accelerator card now. @Bloodwych I've attached my statup sequence, but am happy to continue using the boot disk but maybe it will help in solving this issue for future users? Now I just need a CD32 pad to play those games Last edited by fitzsteve; 04 February 2011 at 18:35.

31 January 2010, 09:51	#3
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	then why don`t you edit the startupsequence befor you reset then then you could have 2 startup sequences renaming the right one for the job at hand ie cd32 or clasic wb a chore I know but it can be refined with iconx and a bit of scripting, Bloodwhch

31 January 2010, 12:28	#5
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,813	I think you can create a boot Floppy with the Squirrel CD32 Emu.

31 January 2010, 12:48	#7
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Come on fitzsteve, Workbench always requires a bit of work now and again. ClassicWB can never be a fire and forget solution! The nature of Workbench means this from time to time -> Did you examine your Startup-Sequence and identify what was added to allow this CD32 emulation? If someone uploads the install disk, I'll have a look at the install sequence and try to see what it does. Creating a boot floppy as Boo Boo mentioned then uploading that would probably help too.

02 February 2010, 16:13	#10
dabone Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chattanooga TN, USA Posts: 109	Solution found. I solved it, and posted the solution in my original message at the start of this thread. Later, dabone

02 February 2010, 18:36	#12
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	nice simple solution there dabone 10 out of 10

02 February 2010, 21:56	#13
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	If you had a look at your startup-sequence, you can see the installer has dumped the CD32 line right after the first setpatch. Problem is, the first setpatch isn't in the same position as it is in a standard Workbench install. Very common for installers to get these things wrong when you customize your Workbench. I'll look at a solution in the next packs. It's pretty easy to fix. I could add an option to the Maxmem menu, so you can select RADboot, KGLoad, CD32, Prompt and Reboot. Then, the CD32 resources only get loaded when you hit the left mousebutton rather than loaded everytime Workbench boots. Either way, I'll add support for this in the next packs. Last edited by Bloodwych; 02 February 2010 at 22:06.

04 May 2012, 04:54	#14
desiv Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 1,770	Bumping this thread back because I just got my Surf Squirrel. Set CD32-Startup in the BootMenu as above. (Took me a bit, I tried to edit the file, and "ed" complained about Binary data. Then I realized that the ButtonMenu is the command to edit it with a GUI. :-) I do find I need to do 2 things in my early startup menu to get it to work. 1, I need to disable CPU caches. I suppose I could add an ACATUNE command to CD32-Startup to do that??? 2, I need to select PAL. NTSC Amiga here, and I'm guessing most (ALL?) CD32 games are PAL? And I'm not aware of any software PAL switchers (that don't trigger a reboot). No biggie tho, easy to pop in to the early boot menu. Thanx for this thread! desiv

05 May 2012, 00:21	#15
Whitesnake Martin Shaw Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 469	Have you tried games like Cannon Fodder, Out To Lunch and James Pond 3.

05 May 2012, 03:03	#16
desiv Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 1,770	Actually, Canon Fodder was the first game I tried. I got a screen that said it needs CD32 specific hardware to work. So, apparently Canon Fodder isn't compatible.. (FMV???) Then I tried Banshee, which works... Yay! Not sure how many others work.. Not looking forward to burning a bunch of coasters to find out tho.. ;-) Unfortunately, my CD ROM doesn't like CDRWs, so I can't use that to test... All in all tho, it's pretty neat. I was going to try the ISOs at the Dream17 site next. desiv

05 May 2012, 03:33	#17
Whitesnake Martin Shaw Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 469	Not FMV, it is Rob Northerns CD Loader which doesn't use Amiga DOS. I've been trying to look for a tool to maybe trick the loader into working when not in a CD32 environment. Out To Lunch just won't start unless it is booted on a CD with CD32.TM I always wondered if there was a way to switch the CD32s mode via software from CD32 to CDTV and vice versa, Rather than being stuck with the choice of .TM "Trademark" when you create your CD.

09 May 2012, 01:22	#18
desiv Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 1,770	Not ClassicWB specific, but Surf Squirrel specific. I have my Amiga set up with the PCMCIA reset and fix so I can leave my PCMCIA cards in when it boots. After installing the squirrel, I noticed that I couldn't get my network card to work if I did that. I had to remove it and re-insert it. Commented out the surf squirrel lines and it works again.. Think I'll try just running the squirrel commands after it boots to see if that works. Then I just call it if needed. I figure I'll be using my network card much more than the squirrel anyway.. I had some issues with Simon.. Not sure if I have a weak burn (when I get it working, there's some graphics glitches and then it crashes) or not.. I'll try a different burner.. (Using the laptop one) Also, I set up the CD32 emu as a boot option if I right click. Using ClassicWB, I right click and get the menu, and it's a menu option. Well, that works, but with Simon, if I do that, the game starts with the graphics too low. It doesn't start drawing at the top of the screen, it starts down about 2 inches. I have to use the CD32 boot floppy.. desiv

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