A4000 2,5" HD to SCSI "solution"...

keropi · 12 September 2006, 08:09

Amiga , the adaptor loving machine....
LOL, my 4000 still on the test-bench... and it actually works FINE now... I needed to get "Active" terminators, not "LVD/SE" ones apparently...
also grabbed a 5400rpm 2.5" Hitachi 40GB HD , converted it to 3.5" with an adaptor from Amigakit , converted to scsi with an Acard7720UW.
and it works fine. wow.

amazing. now the hd fits without any troubles inside.

DDNI · 12 September 2006, 09:26

looks like your fan is about to eat your subway... bad fan!! naughty fan !!

alewis · 12 September 2006, 10:03

Keropi - LVD/SE terminators *are* active. The SCSI-3 specificiation states this, there is no such thing (officially) as a passive LVD/SE terminator. Thats not to say that they are not made, of course.

keropi · 12 September 2006, 10:24

@alewis: yes, in theory. I got lvd/se in the first place because they should be better. but those I got where not that good, or the WD 80GB HD I had on the acard did not work well. anyway, I am not really gonna investigate this, the combo I now have works flawlessly...

gonna make a speed test soon to see if I reach the 27MB/s of the 80GB hd...

thomas · 12 September 2006, 11:21

Quote:

now the hd fits without any troubles inside.

The photo tells the opposite. You should make another photo with all the parts fittet to their final position, just before you close the case.

keropi · 12 September 2006, 11:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

The photo tells the opposite. You should make another photo with all the parts fittet to their final position, just before you close the case.

lol thomas!

I just have it like that because I was testing it. it really fits on the original hd position. I still need to add a 50x50mm fan to blow at the csppc, and replace the g-rex fan, as sometimes it just stops working...
also, the speed of this little HD is the same as the 80gb I had , so I guess the acard/csppc scsi combo is maxed out

Jope · 12 September 2006, 13:28

Heh, get a tower, man.. ;-)

alexh · 12 September 2006, 15:29

Have you seen how much A4k towers cost? It is a crime. And they are pretty low quality and boring as cases go.

rare_j · 12 September 2006, 18:24

Where did you get the IDE to SCSI converter? Are they expensive?

patrik · 12 September 2006, 19:28

@keropi:
With a not that old SCSI-drive, you can reach some 30MB/Sec when reading through the filesystem. Raw reads should give a little bit more, but they arent exactly closer to real world performance. This ofcourse is with bigger chunks of data. Check these results out.

keropi · 12 September 2006, 20:33

yeah, a real scsi HD should do better, but as I said before , a 3.5" HD does not fit... not to mention a 2.5" one draws less power, creates less heat, takes less space...

a4000 towers are all rare, dull and 95% they need their own busboard... so much for the g-rex...

@rare_j: the converter is a small card named: ACARD 7720UW . grabbed it from eBay for 70$ (they are expensive...) vesalia has some AFAIK...

patrik · 12 September 2006, 21:38

@keropi:
There are 2.5" SCSI drives

. Atleast seagate makes some, rather freakin expensive though

.

Jope · 13 September 2006, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Have you seen how much A4k towers cost? It is a crime.

Well currently you can only buy the Elbox tower and that includes a busboard + pci adapter in the price.. But yeah, it would be nice if you could get cheaper ones.

Quote:

And they are pretty low quality and boring as cases go.

How much would you be willing to pay for my "wooden" eagle tower? It's sitting in my warehouse unused.

It has been painted over with a lacquer that gives a wood impression.. Like so:
http://saku.amigafin.org/yhdistys/ta...auantai007.jpg

alexh · 13 September 2006, 10:22

Thanks Jope, but I was hoping to get some form of "enthusiasts" case, aluminium or perspex.

I'm now on the warpath to try and get an A4000T motherboard as they should "fit" in full Tower PC ATX cases.

I *think* they are compatible with the old AT layout and so compatible with ATX with an AT adapter backplate, but I could be wrong.

Anyone got an A4kT motherboard (plus daughter cards) for sale?

Jope · 13 September 2006, 11:56

You're correct, the A4000T is built to the AT standard.. However the audio and floppy riser boards may not fit into every case..

The people who made the case are still in the PC case business, but unfortunately I can't remember who it was. :-/ Antec? Enlight?

All this talk of Amiga towers makes me want to build a good Amiga tower myself. Gotta take the A4k mobo out some day and go shopping for a suitable Midi-ATX case.. :-)

I've tried the Eagle case and now the machine is in an RBM Towerhawk, but that's not to my liking either. :-/ Perhaps this is one of those "gotta do it youself" things.

12 September 2006, 08:09	#1
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	A4000 2,5" HD to SCSI "solution"... Amiga , the adaptor loving machine.... LOL, my 4000 still on the test-bench... and it actually works FINE now... I needed to get "Active" terminators, not "LVD/SE" ones apparently... also grabbed a 5400rpm 2.5" Hitachi 40GB HD , converted it to 3.5" with an adaptor from Amigakit , converted to scsi with an Acard7720UW. and it works fine. wow. amazing. now the hd fits without any troubles inside. Attached Thumbnails

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DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,433	looks like your fan is about to eat your subway... bad fan!! naughty fan !!

12 September 2006, 10:03	#3
alewis Monochrome and 8 bit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Underbarrow, Gods Country Age: 57 Posts: 600	Keropi - LVD/SE terminators are active. The SCSI-3 specificiation states this, there is no such thing (officially) as a passive LVD/SE terminator. Thats not to say that they are not made, of course.

12 September 2006, 10:24	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	@alewis: yes, in theory. I got lvd/se in the first place because they should be better. but those I got where not that good, or the WD 80GB HD I had on the acard did not work well. anyway, I am not really gonna investigate this, the combo I now have works flawlessly... gonna make a speed test soon to see if I reach the 27MB/s of the 80GB hd...

12 September 2006, 13:28	#7
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,907	Heh, get a tower, man.. ;-)

12 September 2006, 15:29	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,453	Have you seen how much A4k towers cost? It is a crime. And they are pretty low quality and boring as cases go.

12 September 2006, 18:24	#9
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,178	Where did you get the IDE to SCSI converter? Are they expensive?

12 September 2006, 19:28	#10
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 933	@keropi: With a not that old SCSI-drive, you can reach some 30MB/Sec when reading through the filesystem. Raw reads should give a little bit more, but they arent exactly closer to real world performance. This ofcourse is with bigger chunks of data. Check these results out.

12 September 2006, 20:33	#11
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah, a real scsi HD should do better, but as I said before , a 3.5" HD does not fit... not to mention a 2.5" one draws less power, creates less heat, takes less space... a4000 towers are all rare, dull and 95% they need their own busboard... so much for the g-rex... @rare_j: the converter is a small card named: ACARD 7720UW . grabbed it from eBay for 70$ (they are expensive...) vesalia has some AFAIK...

12 September 2006, 21:38	#12
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 933	@keropi: There are 2.5" SCSI drives . Atleast seagate makes some, rather freakin expensive though .

13 September 2006, 10:22	#14
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,453	Thanks Jope, but I was hoping to get some form of "enthusiasts" case, aluminium or perspex. I'm now on the warpath to try and get an A4000T motherboard as they should "fit" in full Tower PC ATX cases. I think they are compatible with the old AT layout and so compatible with ATX with an AT adapter backplate, but I could be wrong. Anyone got an A4kT motherboard (plus daughter cards) for sale?

13 September 2006, 11:56	#15
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,907	You're correct, the A4000T is built to the AT standard.. However the audio and floppy riser boards may not fit into every case.. The people who made the case are still in the PC case business, but unfortunately I can't remember who it was. :-/ Antec? Enlight? All this talk of Amiga towers makes me want to build a good Amiga tower myself. Gotta take the A4k mobo out some day and go shopping for a suitable Midi-ATX case.. :-) I've tried the Eagle case and now the machine is in an RBM Towerhawk, but that's not to my liking either. :-/ Perhaps this is one of those "gotta do it youself" things.

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