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Games like Outrun or Marble Madness might deserve the label "2.5D" (although that's fairly meaningless) because they are very much faking the idea of a 3D perspective and actually dealing with everything in 2D. Of course it has a camera, just as all 2D games have a camera. |
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![]() And note how the above poster tries to devalue Indianapolis 500 of 1989... one of the most technically impressive 3D games ever made relative to hardware specs. And then tries to tell me that 3D tank games were not popular... Armor sims were arguably the King of 1989, and M1 Tank Platoon is a GOAT-contender. Yet he argues that Knight Lore is 3D by comparing it to Manic Miner. Last edited by Lilura; Yesterday at 16:01. |
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At least quote me accurately.
Indianapolis 500 is superb at what it does, I wasn't disputing that. I was only pointing out that it's relatively limited due to only being a single oval circuit, and disputing whether that many people outside America were that interested in what it was doing, because Indycar racing itself wasn't a mainstream motorsport, let alone a mainstream sport overall. Did Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker sell in America, despite its quality? Likewise, I said 3D tank games weren't popular in Europe. On what evidence is this untrue? And on what evidence were "Armor sims arguably the King of 1989, and M1 Tank Platoon is a GOAT-contender"? According to who? Biggest selling at the time, best reviewed at the time, recognised system-sellers, most acclaimed by retrospective accounts? I'm not sure this is true even if you narrow it down to PC-only and US-only, but I await being proven wrong. I didn't actually say Knight Lore was 3D, I said it was 2.5D, but closer to a fully 3D game like Elite than a fully 2D game like Manic Minder (2.6recurring-D, if there is such a thing?) It seems like there's a lot of "megahit Game X is shit and less-well-known less-acclaimed Game Y is better, because I say it is and everybody else is an idiot, and I know more than everyone else put together" type 'logic' from you, which is exhausting to read. Why are your 3000 articles more important than someone else's? Should everyone simply take your word for it? I'll carry on citing multiple sources, from then and now, for evidence The thread on when people in Europe first wanted PCs suggests that Wing Commander didn't lead many people to buy PCs - though it could be that the people who did simply never had enough nostalgia for the Amiga to join Amiga forums, as they would have left the Amiga scene relatively early (what would people say if we posed this question at Lemon64 or World of Spectrum?) Doom clearly was a big factor, maybe the single game mentioned by the most people, but by no means the only one - it seems like many people who could afford to buy a PC, and had any interest in games beyond 2D action, already had jumped ship before Doom. In most cases though, the driver for people moving from Amiga to PC was games that weren't available on Amiga, rather than games that were better on the PC. Yes, Civilization (and indeed most PC-led sims / strategy / adventure games, especially if non-Amiga-specialist coders did the Amiga version) were better on a £2000 PC than a £400 Amiga by 1992, if not earlier. How could they not be? Compare them on a 1987 £2000 PC to a 1987 £500 Amiga (with a £100-at-the-most memory expansion added) and the results would be rather different. Plus, adding a hard drive and/or accelerator to an Amiga would at least partially offset this for many of them though. Last edited by Megalomaniac; Yesterday at 16:55. |
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LucasArts adventures were quite big here in Germany in 1992 and when Day of the Tentacle was released in 1993 and the only way to play it was on PC that really had an impact on some people I knew back then. Same goes for X-Wing or Strike Commander. Some people got a PC because they wanted to play exactly those games and unlike before they simply weren't available on the Amiga or ST.
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I always thought Wing Commander with its scaled 2D sprites was a very shitty game. I can't understand how anyone would prefer it over Elite+ or Frontier, it didn't give me any feeling of space. When the PC started to show a lot of muscle in the games department (I mean, when you could hardly ignore it any more no matter how much you were into the Amiga), there was Wing Commander 3. I still think it was also a comparatively weak game compared to the likes of Frontier or X-Wing but it made clear that gaming was ready for the prime time and going to become a huge industry. And anything like this wouldn't happen on any fringe computer system but only on the PC. So yes, WC3 certainly sold a lot of PCs and even more CD-ROM drives. But the first Wing Commander? I have a hard time believing that.
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I am unconcerned with the price of things and their popularity in this or that country. And by things, I mean Western computer game machines and their games. I am only interested in the machines and the games themselves: tech-specs, gameplay and game technical merits in comparison to what else was available. I don't care if an Englishman was uninterested in Indianapolis 500 or if an American was uninterested in Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker -- because that says nothing about the games themselves. If an Englishman did not play Indy 500 when it came out, they missed out big-time. Same goes for an American who didn't play Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker. Quote:
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I don't care that an IBM PC was more expensive than an Amiga. If a game was better on IBM PC, it was better (Civilization of 1991). If the game wasn't available on a cheaper Amiga, it wasn't (Falcon 3.0 of 1991). If this was released in 1991 as projected instead of 1993, it would have been even more amazing than it nevertheless was. |
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WC wasn't 3D until Wing Commander 3 of 1994, which ran in 256-color VESA 640x480. And it was heavily cinematized with 1.5 gigs of useless FMVs. Horrible franchise. One of the worst. Last edited by Lilura; Yesterday at 17:34. |
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Elite 2 Frontier just blew my Mind .... ![]() The Scale and Freedom was out of this World ! ; all on one Floppy ... ![]() It was also released around the same time as DOOM. (and i love Doom) Always though it was WAY more impressive then Doom AND Wing Commander (and i love WC1) Great Video btw. about Frontier. ![]() [ Show youtube player ] But back on Topic. The first game i saw was: Silkworm ; and i was hoocked. (so i needed a Amiga; no question ) (Plug and Play, Color, real SoundFx & Music, Mouse & Joystick, Arcade Action; sounds crazy i know, but our very expensive PC was Monocrome Beeepp Beeep stuff ![]() And then pretty much every Game and Demo i could get my Hands on. |
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I never really liked Elite, Frontier, or Elder Scrolls games, to the full extend... where are you supposed to do... what? Get stronger? Alright.. you get that.. but lack of any story driven mission in all three (Elite, Frontier, and First Encounter), is what brought my whole appreciation of the titles like WC. Sure, in WC you can not freely (and pointlessly) search the galaxy, but whatever you do in the mission is somewhat recognized by the game. It's not freaking silent like Elite. In Elite you could be a master of disaster.. no one cares.. neither game.. nor you.. nor your mother... I mean.. I love the game.. I played it so much.. but is it really a game? Game should have a goal. What is the goal of Elite? Having this 8.. basically scripted missions. What are Frontier "Main missions", is there any? |
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