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"That other platforms don't" with higher power is a bit of a tricky one, There is nothing conceiveable that any platform offers over say Windows on x86_64. At least on the surface it has is all anyone would ever need and has better support for a wider range of software, development tools and hardware. Yet people still use and develop for Mac OS despite its meager market share. I guess my answer is that developers will develop for an Amiga if Amiga were a viable platform and they like Amiga? In the 90's Mac enthusiasts used to cite FPU performance? as a reason to use their machine instead of a PC and justify the cost. There no longer exists any such hardware distinctive. Yes, the modern custom ARM designs of Apple have some impressive performance characteristics, but the Intel CPU's have more support, still maintain a slight edge in raw power and are the only real choice for gaming outside consoles. Quote:
What you say about the treadmill is right. Being realistic, the distinctives that made the Amiga chipset groundbreaking cannot be repeated today. 3d, video and AI acceleration are becoming part of the instruction set for almost all computers. I think a new Amiga chipset should support these innovations so it can push these kinds of projects around. If I had an excuse to do AI development on an Amiga, I would take it. But I'm not expecting a modern Amiga development to overturn ARM, Apple or Intel in raw performance. There are things an Amiga chipset COULD IMO sport to offer value. High quality audio and DAC's for music production. Also, I think it would be kickass if Amiga supported voxel acceleration on the chipset. This would be one of the few real distinctives that could give Amiga a unique feature set. Your original Amiga setups are great. I had an Amiga 500 which I rescued from a skip at the council dump several years ago. Sort of wish I had kept it now I have a bit more appreciation for the accelerator boards that are available. Personally, after listening to everyone here, I am leaning toward that Amiga 600 and Vampire combo myself. Quote:
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ChromeOS is a piece of crap which runs on cheap hardware, but some people choose to use it and work with purely cloud based applications, however slowly despite most people having superior Windows machines as well. The Amiga doesn't need to be ultimately powerful in the way the original was, it just needs to be usable. Someone started an Amicloud service years ago which I still pay for to this day just because I appreciated the initiative and hoped the Amiga community would get behind an Eco system. |
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After listening to all the comments. I feel like there is almost a consensus on the PPC. That's not to say the A1222+ doesn't interest me, but it is without doubt fairly expensive. |
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That was one of the swaying factors for me, the A1222+ looks quite interesting but the entrance price is a bit beyond what I can afford for my hobby. The V4SA on the other hand has replaced my A1200 completely, I still keep the A1200 off to the side for testing purposes but bit by bit it's falling apart (the PCMCIA plastic tabs have finally fallen off). Plus having the ability to easily switch to any Amiga OS via ApolloBoot with the click of a button has proven very helpful when checking how WhatIFF? looks like on other systems.
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I like emulation, but I prefer hardware implementations. Soundchips are the easiest example for me. There is no comparison between a 100% emulation of SPC700 in Higan/bSNES and an SPC module in a SNES. None. I like AmigaOS and OS4. I like the look of MorphOS also.(PPC) I like AROS (x86/ARM) I'd ultimately like an Amiga which can approach daily usability somehow. Daily browsing, video, smb/cifs, emulators and so on. PPC has adequate grunt to do this. Quote:
It is a shame however that the 68080 remains mostly constrained to mid-90's performance, but its an amazing option to have. Quote:
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Emulation these days is 99.9% accurate - preferring hardware these days is just a matter of taste. If you like clunky, failing equipment that needs to be sent in for repair every 6 months, then hardware is for you! Quote:
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Unless they copied from the original documents (and they haven’t, otherwise compatibility would be perfect and it isn’t) it’s emulation. Heck, even copying from the original docs and THEN adding to it would still be considered emulation. It’s either the real deal or it isn’t. Everything else is emulation. |
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I cannot understand why people have this issue with "emulation"
if it is not on the CORRECT hardware but on something that pretends to be something. IT IS EMULATION period.. I MIGHT accept "implementation" if it is made EXACTLY after original but unless original schematics is used. it IS emulation. why is this so damn hard to understand? as it pretends to be something. but you cannot be 100% sure it is correct... |
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The problem is not whether it is emulation, the problem is that it is incomplete emulation. WinUAE is also incomplete, though in a different direction - I need to boot up windows, with a PC keyboard, and no legay mouse and joystick and serial ports. Or put differently, this is not quite like a duck. It's a goose, not a duck. (-; |
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It's up to the individual. Why does everyone get so hot under the collar? I prefer using the original hardware but also enjoy UAE if I want to try something that doesn't allow me to do.
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Of course this is implementation, not emulation.
Because has things which dont have original AGA chip. Then cant emulate things unsupported by AGA. This is easy to understand. BTW. Implementation not must based on original documents. Same like M1 chip from Apple, is ARM implementation, not ARM emulation. |
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It's strange to say something like 68K is open, but it's basically open to pirate for anybody that can make semi-compatible system.
OS4, if you're talking about making something that can boot on it, you'd have to steal some code, build it for your system, but actually selling this would probably be a bad idea, because the owner of OS4 is highly litigious. Or you could do it the same way and try to pretend to be an X1000 or X5000, so all the drivers still work. Probably not reasonable to do, outside of emulation. There's no particular reason the PPC PCI cards wouldn't run OS4, it's just that if there's nobody to pay for the privilege, nobody is willing to do it. |
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it iis kinda lika if you look at a car. and construct one similiar out of it. but without the possability to check diagrams etc. not even really a possability to take measurments from parts. you have to assume how it is done.. you can make something very simiilar. yes. but it will not be the same. |
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HOWEVER my point is: What you call it doesnt matter.
software emulation (ie: UAE), hardware emulation (fpga) doesn't really matter. it is all "the same" but a fpga can be used as a exact implementation aswell if it is done using the original schematics then I can thnk it is ok to call it a "reimplementation" (OR you do a completly own design then it is a implementation. but that would not be a thing mimicing a diferent hw solution. so outside if those scope) however. is it so bad with emulation? no. it doesn't matter what you call it. it is all about how it performs in the end. you know. Does it do its job? that doesn't matter if you emulate or not. but this cry of "it is not emulation" comes from people who are afraid of critics and want to fool people that "this is perfect as we do not use softwareemulation" making some people think that if it is on a fpga it is perfect. while "no". just 2 differnt ways to emulate a endresult anyway.. so enough of repeat and clearification of my opinion .. but unless it is based on original data. it is emulation as it is usually made out of assumptions how the original design is.. |
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Some Amiga schematics leaked, IIRC WinUAE at least Blitter cose is based on it but it is still emulation.
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Some have leaked yes. software will always be emulation as it is not a gate by gate handling..
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Emulators are great for cross-development. More powerful debugging, and more convenient than using a physical target machine for testing. But they don't provide the full retro experience. Running an emulator like being in the Matrix - it might provide a reasonably convincing illusion of reality, but that's all it is. And many things break that illusion. Booting from floppy is a very different experience from the real thing. There is no physical hardware to caress and admire. For me, only original hardware will do the job. Anything else is fake. |
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Right. Let's strain the definition of 'emulator' beyond breaking point. AGA is (mostly) compatible with ECS. That doesn't make it an emulator.
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