TOSEC Amiga Correction Thread

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by rygar

I belive it's 2 disks. Please check TSS MEGA Mix CD in my upload folder. On this CD there's a version 3.01 and also Demo of SuperMemo 3.0 CD.

I couldn't find any relevant information on the number of SM3.00a disks nor on data distribution, but I confess that the Polish language and I have trouble understanding each other

Please note:
It's great to have shared so much data with the community.
If I may give you a word of advice, try in future to limit the length of the access paths, they are sometimes excessively long with redundant information, so dispensable. For example:

ftp://ftp2.grandis.nu/
|_~Uploads
  |_rygar
    |_Greaseweazle
      |_AmiS%C3%85%E2%80%9Aownik-Niemiecko-Polski-v3.1-%28Twin-Spark-Soft%29-%23181218007-231128-raw%2Badf-%5Bkryoflux%5D%5Bdump-by-uicr0Bee%5D
        |_AmiS%C3%85%E2%80%9Aownik-Niemiecko-Polski-v3.1-%28Twin-Spark-Soft%29-%23181218007-231128-raw%2Badf-%5Bkryoflux%5D%5Bdump-by-uicr0Bee%5D.zip-20231130T190523Z-001.zip

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by rygar

This one is tricky. I don't know if WT released disks version or if it's CD Rip.
Both versions exists. Take a look on this advert:

Seems that SuperMemo v3.0A is disk version. This is mentioned in this advert.

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Seems that SuperMemo v3.0A is disk version. This is mentioned in this advert.

So, WT would have distributed the disk version of SM and subsequently, they would have distributed extensions from the CD.
Do you both agree with this?

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Alfabet Smierci (1996)(Arte)(AGA)(PL)(Disk 1 of 4) -> Alfabet Smierci (1996)(Arte)(AGA)(PL)(Disk 1 of 4)[cr WT]
When a game has no protection, you can't say it's been cracked...

I agree.
Anyway from my memory many Amiga titles has no protection and was released as "cracked".
Also some titles was released as "cracked" but no protection was removed. f.e Miecze Valdgira II was uncracked and Skarb Templariuszy.
For me correct name is Released, not Hacked.
Hacked is something different for me.
Like released Dune II demo version as full HD version by one elite Amiga group, using PC data.

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

So, WT would have distributed the disk version of SM and subsequently, they would have distributed extensions from the CD.
Do you both agree with this?

It was many years ago, i dont remember exactly.
But WT always put on DOS disks .nfo file. You can read/check. Disk version can be stored on CD too. Like all Twin Spark Soft games on TSS Mix CD. It was disk games distributed on CD.

Disk version must works from disk drive. And can have original HD install.
CD rips of SuperMemo, are only for large SM databases.
But exist also small databases distributed on disks and not included on CD, if I remember right.

[rygar]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

For me correct name is Released, not Hacked.

For me it's great idea. Maybe one day we'll have another flag in TOSEC:
r = released by

or maybe p flag should be used:
Pirated - [p]
The software is not legally licensed or violates some international IP.

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

But exist also small databases distributed on disks and not included on CD, if I remember right.

List of all databases for SuperMemo:
https://web.archive.org/web/20020224...amiga/bazy.htm

some Databases missing in TOSEC was uploaded to:
https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turran/FTP/~...lish_Releases/

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Also some titles was released as "cracked" but no protection was removed. f.e Miecze Valdgira II was uncracked and Skarb Templariuszy.
For me correct name is Released, not Hacked.
Hacked is something different for me.
Like released Dune II demo version as full HD version by one elite Amiga group, using PC data.

Names in TOSEC are guided by a nomenclature called TNC, and there is currently no "released" flag.
It is important to point out that evaluation is carried out first and foremost on the disk. So, if a virus is reported, this means that the disk contains a virus, but not necessarily that the game contained in the disk is contaminated.

Concerning illegally distributed disks without modification, we don't use tags because anyone can distribute unprotected software, so assigning it to a group makes no sense. The author is the 1st distributor in 99.99% of cases (excluding pre-release leaks).

If the disk is modified to sign off on an illegal distribution, or legally if it's on Public Domain, then the "hacked" tag is used because the disk's behavior is altered. Of course, on DOS disks, it's easier to make this kind of modification than on NoDOS disks, but we don't make any distinction because, in the end, adding a text before the game launch or modifying the game credit text to indicate who distributed the game, all boil down to the same thing: the user is warned that he's using a modified product.

When modifications are made in the game, for example sounds replaced by others, then [h sfx Hacker] is indicated, and if it's level design, then [h levels Hacker].


The TNC, like all standards, is not set in stone. We're using the 4th version, and even if I'm not 100% satisfied, overall, we're not tearing our hair out to use it, and the result is still humanly understandable.

Originally Posted by rygar

or maybe p flag should be used:
Pirated - [p]
The software is not legally licensed or violates some international IP.

The meaning of this tag has nothing to do with what you want. It is used to indicate that a product has been created without the authorization of the rights holders.
One of the most striking examples is Hipoonios' Smurf Rescue.
more info on this case

Originally Posted by rygar

some Databases missing in TOSEC was uploaded to:
https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turran/FTP/~...lish_Releases/

Thanks, I'll have a look at it later, I'm working on something else at the moment

[rygar]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Please note:
It's great to have shared so much data with the community.
If I may give you a word of advice, try in future to limit the length of the access paths, they are sometimes excessively long with redundant information, so dispensable. For example:

ftp://ftp2.grandis.nu/
|_~Uploads
  |_rygar
    |_Greaseweazle
      |_AmiS%C3%85%E2%80%9Aownik-Niemiecko-Polski-v3.1-%28Twin-Spark-Soft%29-%23181218007-231128-raw%2Badf-%5Bkryoflux%5D%5Bdump-by-uicr0Bee%5D
        |_AmiS%C3%85%E2%80%9Aownik-Niemiecko-Polski-v3.1-%28Twin-Spark-Soft%29-%23181218007-231128-raw%2Badf-%5Bkryoflux%5D%5Bdump-by-uicr0Bee%5D.zip-20231130T190523Z-001.zip

Thank you for info. I know it's mess i'll clean it soon

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Names in TOSEC are guided by a nomenclature called TNC, and there is currently no "released" flag.
[...]

Thank you a lot for detailed answer. I'm not going to argue with rules

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Also some titles was released as "cracked" but no protection was removed. f.e Miecze Valdgira II was uncracked and Skarb Templariuszy.

Is there any new information on this game since this post?
https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25394

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Is there any new information on this game since this post?
https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25394

Nothing new, only WT version was cracked. Others versions are not cracked. It was perhaps first or second LK Avalon Amiga game with copylock by Joy/Freezers. Because it uses copylock on 80 track, then most people thinks that no protection for this game. Also copylock was checked not at begining, but after a few times of playing, when game asked for 3rd disk.

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Also some titles was released as "cracked" but no protection was removed. f.e Miecze Valdgira II was uncracked and Skarb Templariuszy.

Okay, I misunderstood what you said, but to be honest, neither Royal nor Mystic claimed to have cracked the game.
I would also add that the WT version is not 100% because the "PIETRO_ALL.BIN" file on disk 1 is corrupt, just like the RYL or MST version.
That's why WT's disk 1 has been recreated and gives the illusion that there are no errors, but it's based on one of these 2 previously released versions.

[rygar]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Okay, I misunderstood what you said, but to be honest, neither Royal nor Mystic claimed to have cracked the game.
I would also add that the WT version is not 100% because the "PIETRO_ALL.BIN" file on disk 1 is corrupt, just like the RYL or MST version.
That's why WT's disk 1 has been recreated and gives the illusion that there are no errors, but it's based on one of these 2 previously released versions.

So WT version is also bad and we need proper dump?

* it seems here is untouched file:
Warez scene - Bird CD 09 - 159_SkarbTemplariuszyPLor - dysk1

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by rygar

So WT version is also bad and we need proper dump?

The dump is good. It's just that the WT version is based on a faulty version. We just need to correct the WT version file and it's already done.
It's in The Zone!

[rygar]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

The dump is good. It's just that the WT version is based on a faulty version. We just need to correct the WT version file and it's already done.
It's in The Zone!

Thank you a lot for fix. One more thing. There's a walkthrough on disk

SkarbTempSol.txt

so file name should be:
Skarb Templariuszy (1995)(L.K. Avalon)(PL)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr WT][f corrupt file][docs on disk]

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by rygar

Thank you a lot for fix. One more thing. There's a walkthrough on disk

SkarbTempSol.txt

Okay, but as far as I'm concerned, it's still unplayable

[rygar]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Okay, but as far as I'm concerned, it's still unplayable

I can translate it to english if you want

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

Okay, I misunderstood what you said, but to be honest, neither Royal nor Mystic claimed to have cracked the game.
I would also add that the WT version is not 100% because the "PIETRO_ALL.BIN" file on disk 1 is corrupt, just like the RYL or MST version.
That's why WT's disk 1 has been recreated and gives the illusion that there are no errors, but it's based on one of these 2 previously released versions.

I dont think, that WT version has corrupted file. I played and finished this game a few times, solution was included on disk. With corrupted data file it was impossible, I think. But it was about 30 years ago, then maybe I remember something wrong. From my memory I always checked if data on disk are correct and no viruses.

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

I dont think, that WT version has corrupted file. I played and finished this game a few times, solution was included on disk. With corrupted data file it was impossible, I think. But it was about 30 years ago, then maybe I remember something wrong. From my memory I always checked if data on disk are correct and no viruses.

The consequences when 2 bytes are faulty are always tricky. It can crash a game or go unnoticed. If we take the example of the Skippi game, there were 488 faulty bytes on a gfx. The consequences are barely visible in this case, but it's not always true.

[Don_Adan]

Originally Posted by Crashdisk

The consequences when 2 bytes are faulty are always tricky. It can crash a game or go unnoticed. If we take the example of the Skippi game, there were 488 faulty bytes on a gfx. The consequences are barely visible in this case, but it's not always true.

Yes, but it must give checksum error for OFS disk. Only for FFS or NDOS disk it can be not easy detected. Of course this is possible that first/one version of this game is corrupted. Anyway I dont remember checksum error for this game.

I fixed enough damaged disks, f.e corrupted Hot Numbers Deluxe AGA or Maddog Williams

[Crashdisk]

Originally Posted by Don_Adan

Yes, but it must give checksum error for OFS disk

When a data sector is damaged, yes, there is a checksum error. This is the case with the RYL and MST versions :

Disk Format : Bootable DOS disk
 - Block Allocation Map was found in sector 881
 - Disk name            : <Skarb Templariuszy>
 - Filesystem creation  : 1995.09.28 16:38:43
 - Last root alteration : 1995.12.17 15:34:12
 - Last disk alteration : 1995.12.17 15:34:42
 - Rate of filling      : 85.13% (based on BAM information)
 - Rate of filling      : 85.13% (based on sectors identification)

 --------------------
| s/startup-sequence |
 --------------------
| mst.exe            |
| SKARB              |
 --------------------

----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ------------------------------------------
 Content list          |  Size  | CRC32  |BA|HR|SQ|      Date      | Information                              |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- ------------------------------------------
PIETRO_ALL.BIN         | 430.528|00000000|OK|OK|KO|1995.09.28 10:20|Sect 1755 seq 608 => Data block corrupted |

Here are the data for the sector in question (in red, the 2 faulty bytes)
Skarb Templariuszy (1995)(L.K. Avalon)(PL)(Disk 1 of 3)[cr RYL][b crack - corrupt file]

000db600h: 00 00 00 08 00 00 04 73 00 00 02 60 00 00 01 E8 ; .......s...`...è
000db610h: 00 00 06 DC 70 BC 3F 70 DF FE 19 B8 78 C1 2D 07 ; ...Üp¼?pßþ.¸xÁ-.
000db620h: EF 90 03 FF 3B AD F8 44 84 7F FD F2 27 38 5C 37 ; ï.ÿ;øD„ýò'8\7
000db630h: 1E DC 58 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 FB FF F8 CE A1 07 ; .ÜX.......ûÿøΡ.
000db640h: 90 00 01 08 DC D2 05 F3 7E DF FF DF FF FF C7 E3 ; ...ÜÒ.ó~ßÿßÿÿÇã
000db650h: E9 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 44 03 47 30 5E F8 ; é€........D.G0^ø
000db660h: 0C 4C A8 40 00 00 00 13 08 05 80 8D D8 C7 00 08 ; .L¨@......€ØÇ..
000db670h: 62 22 83 D0 15 40 20 02 20 04 0B 44 20 89 B1 F9 ; b"ƒÐ.@ . ..D ‰±ù
000db680h: 7D 7D FE E0 08 00 04 91 08 05 91 12 B7 3B 09 01 ; }}þà...‘..‘.·;..
000db690h: 66 23 67 3C 77 40 20 42 20 06 39 BC A0 8C 92 FA ; f#g<w@ B .9¼ Œ’ú
000db6a0h: A8 A2 42 5A 48 A8 7F F6 E7 6D 7D 96 39 68 C4 48 ; ¨¢BZH¨öçm}–9hÄH
000db6b0h: 28 88 E2 A9 10 00 01 00 20 00 75 5A F4 66 5E A9 ; (ˆâ©.... .uZôf^©
000db6c0h: 81 FF BF 06 D0 BB F5 4C 98 92 A2 65 22 85 40 4A ; ÿ¿.лõL˜’¢e"…@J
000db6d0h: C8 5A E7 FE ED EB AE AA 8A BA 77 53 36 E8 52 F8 ; ÈZçþí뮪ŠºwS6èRø
000db6e0h: FE 00 00 8E D1 BB 0A AC 65 EF FD 9B 8D DF 7B BB ; þ..ŽÑ».¬eïý›ß{»
000db6f0h: 9F BD F8 00 02 00 00 00 00 01 F7 5B F6 EF AE FD ; Ÿ½ø.......÷[öï®ý
000db700h: 80 00 00 35 2F C5 81 D3 3D FF FA EF FE FE C2 8F ; €..5/ŁÓ=ÿúïþþ
000db710h: 7A 2C 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C8 A4 09 10 01 06 ; z,.......Ȥ....
000db720h: 79 98 E9 40 28 08 00 44 01 82 80 0C 70 21 04 60 ; y˜é@(..D.‚€.p!.`
000db730h: A0 42 01 FB B8 00 D8 40 75 46 01 3B C0 04 F9 99 ;  B.û¸.Ø@uF.;À.ù™
000db740h: 79 F6 EB 80 2A 08 00 04 00 22 A0 0E AC DA 00 61 ; yöë€*...." .¬Ú.a
000db750h: 60 90 43 CB BC 20 5B 00 75 46 1D F3 19 0E ED F9 ; `C˼ [.uF.ó..íù
000db760h: 80 12 90 CA 76 4B EB 5C 8A CF F2 13 56 D3 84 20 ; €.ÊvKë\ŠÏò.VÓ„
000db770h: C8 A0 26 49 25 00 00 00 00 00 C8 B9 AF 0A D2 37 ; È &I%.....ȹ¯.Ò7
000db780h: 81 3D 7F 17 0D 3C E6 AA F5 A4 1D F8 C0 B7 2C A3 ; =..<æªõ¤.øÀ·,£
000db790h: 4C C0 2E 4F DE FF FF F7 7F FC 67 6D F8 EF 5E 3F ; LÀ.OÞÿÿ÷ügmøï^?
000db7a0h: BE C0 00 3F 2F 3D 10 17 1B DF F2 06 3F 0A 53 53 ; ¾À.?/=...ßò.?.SS
000db7b0h: 5E CF 31 B0 00 00 00 00 00 02 E0 0D F8 EF A1 C0 ; ^Ï1°......à.øï¡À
000db7c0h: E4 00 00 34 D0 C2 5D A1 FF FF FD FD FF FD C1 4D ; ä..4ÐÂ]¡ÿÿýýÿýÁM
000db7d0h: A1 31 E1 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 1F F2 07 10 01 00 ; ¡1á........ò....
000db7e0h: 01 37 C5 C0 27 84 4C 00 01 50 00 BD C1 F6 0C B0 ; .7ÅÀ'„L..P.½Áö.°
000db7f0h: C6 C0 00 47 BF 40 00 08 80 00 9D C0 08 04 CA 71 ; ÆÀ.G¿@..€.À..Êq

Is now sector 1520 of the WT disk, which has no checksum error:

000be000h: 00 00 00 08 00 00 03 88 00 00 02 60 00 00 01 E8 ; .......ˆ...`...è
000be010h: 00 00 05 F1 70 BC 81 46 DF FE 19 B8 78 C1 2D 07 ; ...ñp¼Fßþ.¸xÁ-.
000be020h: EF 90 03 FF 3B AD F8 44 84 7F FD F2 27 38 5C 37 ; ï.ÿ;øD„ýò'8\7
000be030h: 1E DC 58 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 FB FF F8 CE A1 07 ; .ÜX.......ûÿøΡ.
000be040h: 90 00 01 08 DC D2 05 F3 7E DF FF DF FF FF C7 E3 ; ...ÜÒ.ó~ßÿßÿÿÇã
000be050h: E9 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 44 03 47 30 5E F8 ; é€........D.G0^ø
000be060h: 0C 4C A8 40 00 00 00 13 08 05 80 8D D8 C7 00 08 ; .L¨@......€ØÇ..
000be070h: 62 22 83 D0 15 40 20 02 20 04 0B 44 20 89 B1 F9 ; b"ƒÐ.@ . ..D ‰±ù
000be080h: 7D 7D FE E0 08 00 04 91 08 05 91 12 B7 3B 09 01 ; }}þà...‘..‘.·;..
000be090h: 66 23 67 3C 77 40 20 42 20 06 39 BC A0 8C 92 FA ; f#g<w@ B .9¼ Œ’ú
000be0a0h: A8 A2 42 5A 48 A8 7F F6 E7 6D 7D 96 39 68 C4 48 ; ¨¢BZH¨öçm}–9hÄH
000be0b0h: 28 88 E2 A9 10 00 01 00 20 00 75 5A F4 66 5E A9 ; (ˆâ©.... .uZôf^©
000be0c0h: 81 FF BF 06 D0 BB F5 4C 98 92 A2 65 22 85 40 4A ; ÿ¿.лõL˜’¢e"…@J
000be0d0h: C8 5A E7 FE ED EB AE AA 8A BA 77 53 36 E8 52 F8 ; ÈZçþí뮪ŠºwS6èRø
000be0e0h: FE 00 00 8E D1 BB 0A AC 65 EF FD 9B 8D DF 7B BB ; þ..ŽÑ».¬eïý›ß{»
000be0f0h: 9F BD F8 00 02 00 00 00 00 01 F7 5B F6 EF AE FD ; Ÿ½ø.......÷[öï®ý
000be100h: 80 00 00 35 2F C5 81 D3 3D FF FA EF FE FE C2 8F ; €..5/ŁÓ=ÿúïþþ
000be110h: 7A 2C 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C8 A4 09 10 01 06 ; z,.......Ȥ....
000be120h: 79 98 E9 40 28 08 00 44 01 82 80 0C 70 21 04 60 ; y˜é@(..D.‚€.p!.`
000be130h: A0 42 01 FB B8 00 D8 40 75 46 01 3B C0 04 F9 99 ;  B.û¸.Ø@uF.;À.ù™
000be140h: 79 F6 EB 80 2A 08 00 04 00 22 A0 0E AC DA 00 61 ; yöë€*...." .¬Ú.a
000be150h: 60 90 43 CB BC 20 5B 00 75 46 1D F3 19 0E ED F9 ; `C˼ [.uF.ó..íù
000be160h: 80 12 90 CA 76 4B EB 5C 8A CF F2 13 56 D3 84 20 ; €.ÊvKë\ŠÏò.VÓ„
000be170h: C8 A0 26 49 25 00 00 00 00 00 C8 B9 AF 0A D2 37 ; È &I%.....ȹ¯.Ò7
000be180h: 81 3D 7F 17 0D 3C E6 AA F5 A4 1D F8 C0 B7 2C A3 ; =..<æªõ¤.øÀ·,£
000be190h: 4C C0 2E 4F DE FF FF F7 7F FC 67 6D F8 EF 5E 3F ; LÀ.OÞÿÿ÷ügmøï^?
000be1a0h: BE C0 00 3F 2F 3D 10 17 1B DF F2 06 3F 0A 53 53 ; ¾À.?/=...ßò.?.SS
000be1b0h: 5E CF 31 B0 00 00 00 00 00 02 E0 0D F8 EF A1 C0 ; ^Ï1°......à.øï¡À
000be1c0h: E4 00 00 34 D0 C2 5D A1 FF FF FD FD FF FD C1 4D ; ä..4ÐÂ]¡ÿÿýýÿýÁM
000be1d0h: A1 31 E1 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 1F F2 07 10 01 00 ; ¡1á........ò....
000be1e0h: 01 37 C5 C0 27 84 4C 00 01 50 00 BD C1 F6 0C B0 ; .7ÅÀ'„L..P.½Áö.°
000be1f0h: C6 C0 00 47 BF 40 00 08 80 00 9D C0 08 04 CA 71 ; ÆÀ.G¿@..€.À..Êq

The explanation is simple: when you put a defective file on an OFS disk, there's no checksum error!

As explained above, the WT version was created from a faulty RYL or MST disk.
Once the files had been extracted, they were replaced on a new disk. This is why the files in the WT version are not in the same place as on the disks containing the original version, MST or RYL.

Disk Format : Bootable DOS disk
 - Block Allocation Map was found in sector 881
 - Disk name            : <Skarb Templariuszy>
 - Filesystem creation  : 1996.01.24 18:58:09
 - Last root alteration : 1996.01.24 21:31:16
 - Last disk alteration : 1996.01.24 21:31:19
 - Rate of filling      : 92.25% (based on BAM information)
 - Rate of filling      : 92.25% (based on sectors identification)

 --------------------
| s/startup-sequence |
 --------------------
| Show -o Kwach3     |
| NumeroDue          |
| SKARB              |
 --------------------

----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
 Content list          |  Size  | CRC32  |BA|HR|SQ|      Date      | Information     |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
 PIETRO_ALL.BIN         | 430.528|BC0482DA|OK|OK|OK|1996.01.24 19:08|                 |

As a reminder, the RYL and MST versions were released in December 1995, and the WT version in January 1996.


as for the Skippi game, ross used the same method as WT, for the same reason (the game hangs on the checksum error) and probably with the same result (a minor fault).