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There's also the GBA-1000, Hese's A4000ATX, Edu Arana's A2000ATX, the AA3000+, that other MicroATX A500-alike (again from Hese I think), probably forgetting a few.
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If I'm asking people to part with 500 Euro for a product (and that's with a vital component missing), and people are asking the same basic business question then I will damn well make sure I have at the very least an automated email reply. As for it being a hobby or a business, it should not matter. Hobbies can be expensive, and profitable-I'm risking a large sum of money, i don't care if the seller thinks themselves as a hobby or a business, at that price its minimum that they communicate how much and how long to get it. Its a basic business transaction question. If they are SOOOOO busy to shoot off a 10 second email, then make it auto reply. Is that too much to ask? (BTW what I bought came from a reputable source, it wasn't just cobbled together. It still doesn't work.) |
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However, none of these are are a finished ready product. They seem like boards that you have to assemble yourself, right? Rip parts of old boards. Only one AGA chipset version too...the 4000. The most likely customers there are those who have battery damaged 4000s and willing to take a risk to rip it all apart to transplant chips. Look, I'm not saying this is a bad way to go. It is certain better than no motherboard at all. So the fact that the schematics are preserved, improved upon, purchasable as a real board is a great starting point already. Personally I know that I would not want to be assembling a full motherboard. I'd rather leave it to the pros who have the correct machines that automate the soldering process, ensure quality, long term reliability, function. And this is where this iComp A1200 reloaded holds so much promise for someone like me. I can't believe I'm alone in this, surely. It's AGA. It's wedge - my favourite format for the Amiga. It's READY and complete, tested, configured, out of the box go - very satisfying, zero frustration. And since I've bought iComp's stuff before, the quality has been lovely in my experience. People complain about some USB thing...but I avoided that because so I got lucky. Personally, I find it sacrilege to have USB on an Amiga. I don't see a need for it personally. ...WAIT A MINUTE.... I just went back to the A1200 Reloaded page to check if it will have USB on it as I spoke about the USB on Amiga. It won't have it by default. iComp note that A1200 can have "USB functionality can be added with the X-Surf-100 version of RapidRoad. This is the lowest-cost version of the product, yet the one with the highest-performing interface. Since this connector is part of the 32-bit IO subsystem, it will meet or exceed Z3 speed.". But X-Surf-100 is a Zorro card. Will the A1200 Reloaded have a Zorro slot? What is this "32-bit IO subsystem" I didn't notice this before. Is iComp going to give me what I'm asking for? |
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Wrong again. AA3000+ can be purchased fully assembled by Hese and it has aga
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The GBA-1000 design was released with the no commercial sales, not for profit as I recall. That doesn't mean it isn't done however. And it has a slot for the GBA-Picasso (which I thought Matze's PII+ was based on, not sure about that). Also it comes with an 060 accelerator option. And the best part it isn't a wedge! Also the RTG solution Jens is promising is not really well defined. I'm hoping for something connected right to the CPU bus and presumably fast and maybe an off the shelf GPU, but you never know. It could just be some stupid framebuffer with fast RAM-we don't know yet. Quote:
And that's why Chucky should go with his idea of building a Zorro interface that hangs off the custom chips instead, like Alice and something else. But then you have the problem with the shameful A1200 design that there are only 24-bit address lines except for the 32-bit accelerator slot-I think. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 21 September 2021 at 01:06. |
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Yes, Low Voltage Differential - and I remember that fully from memory. I did not google that. I hope I remember this fully. I had a Adapted dual U320LVD card once upon a time, with a few 15K RPM drives on it. That was something to hear booting up.
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GBA1000 - nice, BUT...so few A1000s out there. They are almost always showing their age, when not cost so much it's not worth it considering what a 1200 goes for, and in the end for that type of money you probably want to keep it original. It is really some hard core A1000 nostalgia fans that will put up with the GBA1000. I think there is a better way to solve the A1000 problem personally than GBA1000. It is true that the RTG solution is not defined on the iComp page. Could be because they aren't sure about it. Could be they want to leave a pleasant surprise. Just like that 32-bit IO subsystem the X-Surf-100, which is a Zorro card will apparently plug into. What's that all about really? Seem to me like this A1200 Reloaded will take a slim Zorro card. Is there a way to plug that into this new motherboard and will iComp do more for it? Who knows? |
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To say it is dumb is insufficient I think. If the excuse is that it is a hobby, then you are trying to deliver something through skill and time and someone wants to help you carry the expense of it by offering financial support because they may not have the skill or time to do what you are trying to deliver for the benefit of many. If you don't need these support resources to share the financial load, good on you. Say so and let's all not waste time. If you would appreciate recouping some of your investment of time and money, then take example from those who do it right. Look at all the kick-starters, or other efforts...NONE of them have ever had the dead silence of WARP1260. I've noted this with a few on here who took that indefensible stance. It's as if they hold people who want to support them in contempt. At that point I'm like...keep your precious hobby device to yourself. Nicely done. Enjoy. God bless. May it bring you endless joy. They keep this up it will be just 17 guys trading hardware between themselves soon. Last edited by YouKnowWho; 21 September 2021 at 02:06. |
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The problem and feature of it being a hobby is, people do it just to do it. These people have normal jobs which usually pay far more than what they make doing it as a hobby so you're limited to what people have to spend of their free time on it. If it comes down to a builder has to spend $20,000 on parts to build a batch a batch of 100 boards, then include the cost of developing it.
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Which of these has RTG onboard?
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Ofcourse Jens can do it on his own board. it is all "just to add it"..
Ribboncable on ZZ9000 only contains the RGB signals. it is not really highspeeds and sensible as the zorro data.. but thuis is something you should know as you think this is so simple. and again about TF1260 availbility. it have been easy. just as you are so entitled. not on YOUR ways. you know. the world is NOT circiling around you at all. facebook did not fit. amibay did not fit.. you know what is ironical? I sold several cards via a direct message. HERE at EAB!.. all it was was a "can I get a TF1260?" message.. that was the only thing needed.. but being entitled and post crap on forums. nahh.. however. that was not needed for you either that after a while of whining that people did not go YOUR way. "060 was not for you" and true. 060 is not for everyone. but sure it is for many. and guess what. same will be with RTG. when you will notice that there are if and butts with that aswell.. About ReLoaded.. I am very sceptic it will be released.. to be honest. it have been in development too long already.. |
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https://www.amibay.com/showthread.ph...ight=Aa3000%2B https://www.amibay.com/showthread.ph...ight=Aa3000%2B Hese occasionally posts on here. He is a hobbyist so as others have pointed out he may not reply instantly, or at all. For all custom chips, ICs, the BOM for passives, the pcbs, you’re looking at £1000. Assembly of motherboard and busboard is iro £265 You then need to factor in a case, psu, keyboard etc. |
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2. The unit I sent him worked fine bar some small spots. I wanted him to apply the fix and put it in a nice box box with a proper amiga cable. The unit I got back inside the box isn't the same one I sent him. 3. Why not test before sending out? Look we'll agree to disagree, Not a single one of your arguments has convinced me that its the buyer whose being unreasonable here. Last edited by stefcep2; 21 September 2021 at 11:36. |
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This is how i understand it: When it comes to niche hobbies, you have enthusiasts and then you have the "ultra's". The enthusiast will settle for an '030, some RAM, maybe an FPU, compact flash card, wifi card and call it day. The "ultras" want to have the best that is possible. 80 mHz '060, RTG network card, USB, fast drives sound card. Possibly things they wanted "back in the day" but couldn't afford. 30 years later, they can. And so they put up with whatever from anyone who promises to deliver that. Because they want it. A lot. Its emotional, not rational so its pointless to have a rational argument. What I find curious is what actually happens when they actually turn it on and actually do something with it? Recently I cobbled together an amithlon PIII system for literally nothing. Geforce 256 hardware acceleration, Soundblaster, ethernet, USB, scsi dvd rom, all works. It smokes my A4000 68060 cybervision 64, cyberscsi Fastata. The software that uses RTG runs faster. And it actually feels like a big box Amiga workstation, but on steroids. No AGA, but that's what an A1200 with fast ram could do well.. |
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Amiga in the c21 is a hobby, nobody has to justify anything and it all defies logical sense.
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However Chucky claimed he sold 500, so at that point I think he's selling things to recover costs or to make a bit of scratch on the side. |
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I'm not on Facebook because it is a swamp of SPAM. Amibay won't take new user registrations. At at no point in my post in March did it cross your mind to just come out with it and say that you're offering them for sale at X amount. You maybe clever enough to design them, but you're quite obtuse when it comes to getting stuff out there into people's hands. Consider that I likely represent a large slice of people, who would easily click and buy from Amiga Store, delivering extra support to you. Certainly this group would understand that a reseller needs to make $50 on reseller to cover costs and pay the bills. iComp, from all I've seen has a track record of delivering projects. They delivered many to date. On the A1200 Reloaded post he notes that he just got DB23 quality ports made, and is now working on forward engineering the Budgie and memory chips for this application. Seem that it is inching along nicely, and it will certainly be exciting when it arrives. |
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