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Litwr.. Are you only on this forum to slag off/argue/belittle the Amiga hardware and os. I only read the first few posts and your behaviour is exactly the same as in that ridiculous 68k thread that I am tempted to move to OT..
I don't understand why you are on this forum! You clearly have nothing overly positive to say about the Amiga or its line of processors.... |
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I'm not referring to just this thread though. You can plead ignorance all you like. Sadly you spend a lot of time ignoring and dismissing what others say and continue pushing your agenda.. If you enjoy the Amiga then you're not doing a good job of showing that!
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Actually the Mac didn't do that well either. Since the mid 80's PCs were always more popular than other platforms in the US, even in the home. By 1996 Apple only had 5% market share and was in trouble financially. |
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Apple and IBM just worked and got their profits. Commodore could have done the same. |
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By 1987 C64 sales had dropped off and Commodore needed a more advanced home computer to replace it with. They had the Amiga ready just in time to take over, and with its help they managed to 'work on their profits' until 1992 when the PC juggernaut finally ran over them. |
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The 1992 problems were problems that were caused by the fact that they didn't have any attractive technology to sell. Commodore successfully replaced (well, complemented) the C64 with the Amiga and I believe they could at least have kept the Amiga running for a few more years if they had replaced the 68000 Amiga by an ECS or better AGA 020 Amiga in time. With the Amiga you didn't have to replace the entire platform every few years, you could update it. Instead Commodore sold the same Amiga configuration for always less money. Oh, and this is again a good opportunity to point out that Commodore's Amiga business was profitable while its PC clone business caused big losses. |
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PS/2 and PS/1 didn't come until later. IBM did screw up with the PS/2 for sure, and one could argue that since they finally dropped it in April 1993 that means the Amiga actually outlasted real IBM computers in the marketplace! But that doesn't detract from the fact that both Commodore and Apple had a piddling share of the market. By 1990 IBM might have lost control of the PC juggernaut, but it was still squashing the competition regardless of who 'owned' it. |
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The IBM PC did outlast the Amiga in the marketplaces. IBM made PC desktops even in the 21th century, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkCentre but they had other desktop models. |
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I have discovered one more Amiga problem recently. Why is the Amiga OS so easy to crash? For example, any 68020 instruction causes irritating Guru Meditation on the A500 or even A2000. The Atari ST OS works much better, in such cases it just informs you about the problem and continues working! Indeed TOS doesn't look so impressive as WB but it is much more reliable. Does anybody know why WB is so easy to crash?
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You'll get better responses here on disliking the Amiga - https://www.atari-forum.com/ Stop wasting time and trolling around here, I'm amazed you haven't been banned before now. |
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You continue to test the limits of tolerance here on EAB with your negative comment posts. If this activity continues, the moderating staff will act accordingly. This is your final warning. |
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Your argument that Apple 'could' have made more money from desktop computers than IBM did over the rest of the 80's is irrelevant, even if true - which is doubtful. The graphs below show that during the 80's IBM sold a lot more PCs than Apple did Macs (and Apples), and they doubled their dividend. They didn't crash until 1993 - just like Commodore (coincidence? Or were both companies victims of the PC juggernaut?). Quote:
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Not just less impressive looking, but less impressive functionally too. For example, one 'impressive' thing I liked about the Amiga was how it broke free of the horrible 8+3 filename length that 'serious' computers suffered from. Another was the wonderful multitasking with independent, draggable screens that can have custom resolutions etc. which no other system has matched before or since (not even modern PCs with multiple monitors).
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The Amiga doesn't have memory protection so it's very important that programs don't trash memory. Therefore responsible developers run tools like the Enforcer and Mungwall to catch programming errors. This improves the quality of multitasking software and makes the system just as stable as a 'modern' OS - so long as you don't run bug-ridden programs (anything that fails Enforcer doesn't get used on my A1200 because I run it all the time). |
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There is no problem being critical, and there are certainly a number of things wrong with the Amiga, but the facts should be correct - and this is not the case here. Unlike claimed, an illegal instruction does not create a software error immediately. It creates a requester to suspend the affected process. This is also the only thing the Os can do given that there is no resource management. This is not much different from TOS, but since TOS is a single-tasking system, it can re-initiate the complete machine after the "bombs". On a multi-tasking system, one cannot do that without affecting other programs. But on the Amiga as well as on the Atari it is equally trivial to create a software error (or bomb). Just mess with the operating system structures, run over memory, or whatever. No difference. None of the two machines has memory protection or process isolation to prevent this. The same goes, of course, for the 68K versions of MacOs. However, there software reached a higher quality level, that's all. |
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