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Beg all you like, factum is that the shell that ships with KS 3.1.4 has a serious bug that will forever haunt the users and developers. 3.1 is well known, its flaws and bugs are well understood, patches and fixes are plentyful. It will take years to reach this level of understanding for the current 3.1.4 kickstarts, and only a fraction of users are upgrading anyways. I already have scripts that checks for shell v46 and bail out with EndCLI if such is the case (something weird even with internal Quit it seems, in v46). |
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Picture from Cloanto's site... funny to see how they promote their emulator... with a nice and fully coloured WB... from Hyperion
OK, easy joke... nevertheless (I have lowered the resolution a bit not to kill my attachment space) Last edited by malko; 05 January 2019 at 23:38. Reason: link added |
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06 January 2019, 12:40 | #406 |
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AmigaOS 3.1.4 withdrawn from market after Amiga
Feel free to think out a way around that also works with existing scripts and when people just insert a random old floppy. The work-around is to fix and ship new kickstarts to all customers. Instead it will probably be tried to fix in a new SetPatch, which then all users would need to stuff on all their boot filesystems, floppies etc. and what to do if Setpatch fails? Or hopefully through a new ROM module, and we are back to rebooting and loading modules again... |
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@kolla
sry 4 ot, but can you look into your pms? thx |
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I think that I've found this problem a few days ago using pipe I give a command like the following: Code:
cd SYS: || list Code:
cd SYS: && list (is it possible to add set _mchar "&&" in S:shell-startup file instead of set _mchar "||" ) What I get is the list of the current directory. |
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06 January 2019, 17:18 | #410 | |
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Regarding the linked document, I have to say that since UK is not my mother-tongue it's more than probable that I understand the documents in a slightly different way as some of you here in EAB (that are native UK speaking people). Anyway, after a second reading I can easily understand the agreement in the same way as Hyperion did. The way it is written make me think that the OS number was set to 4 "like this" (as an example). They just said 4 like they could have said 3.1.2 or 3.2 or 3.3 or etc. Again it's the understanding from a non native UK speaker. I don't want to rewrite the story, just to share my understanding. |
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First of all, in v46, _pchar and _mchar variables are no longer used, they are hard coded to | and ||. Secondly, external "pipe" command is no longer used, instead piping is done internally, (apparently using "jobs", as you can see with "set echo on", it uses &, and this also requires CONSOLE: to be available, so you can no longer run scripts in the background that uses pipes... meh.) Thirdly, I think what you describe is correct - you run two commands in parallel, one cd sys:, which is sileny, and one list, that just lists out current directly. I haven't really used this feature much, did it behave differently in earlier shell versions? |
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It'll be interesting to see how Hyperion respond. |
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I'm not aware of the technical aspects inside the Amiga Shell but yes, in the previous version I was able to execute two commands on the same line using "&&" and in fact I wrote a few scripts that did so and that now don't work anymore. I've also faced the "CONSOLE" request running one of them and I "fixed" that with a silly assign on my startup-sequence Code:
Assign >NIL: CONSOLE: DH0: I know it's just a workaround but I really don't know a better solution. |
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Found this but it's not free
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Well sounds like the situation we had since 3.1 release. Like adding a big Harddrive without a patched SCSI.device and / or FFS and / or HDToolBox.
Nothing new to me. E.g. take the old shell and add it via LoadModule. Furthermore the new shell does respect most failats - not all, obviously. Quote:
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The language is rather confusing and we probably haven't a hope of properly understanding it without a law degree... |
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Right, which is what I do. Now that Hyperion, with Thor's blessing, is in total ownership, I doubt there will be more aminet updates though. So we have yet another incarnation of the shell to worry about in scripts.
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