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Yeah, but even after that it's quite fuzzy. They made Amiga Inc go bankrupt, sold the rights to another company under their control and renamed that to Amiga Inc. In the lawsuit between Amiga Inc and Hyperion, that was one reason they settled. Apparently (just heard it, I haven't seen proof) Amiga Inc had to produce false documents to try to win the case. This might also make it tough on Cloanto, because indeed, if Hyperion knows something they don't; Cloanto will loose any case against them. |
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22 May 2017, 13:12 | #22 |
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exactly. nothing essential will come of this dragging the dead cadaver there and back for months and years yet to come. if you enjoy popcorn watching such a stop and go slow drama, then good for you. if you are in for some action, you must have already realized, this isnt place to get it.
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Depending on the exact deal between AInc and Cloanto, AInc might very well have to ask Cloanto before giving Hyperion a thumbs up/down on transfering their license - but we don't know that, because we don't know the details of the AInc-Cloanto contract. Quote:
Since most of their backstory was completely made up and all the parties involved in that story were run by the exact same people, it's a safe bet most of their paperwork was made up on the spot. But the only time they got caught was the incident above. |
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This is the part that I found "interesting".....and perplexing, to say the least, if I'm being completely honest. If Cloanto submitted to such conditions from AInc. just to get the sale done instead of negotiating better terms (even if it meant paying more money), then this just casts further doubt for mine over Cloanto being a professional and reputable company to do business with. Maybe Cloanto really did just get plain lucky with PPaint, and really are nothing but an Amiga one-hit wonder after all. |
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22 May 2017, 18:36 | #25 |
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Cloanto sold the rights to PPaint to AEon a year or so ago.
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22 May 2017, 18:52 | #26 | |
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Shutting down Youtube videos of moments of Amiga history benefits us how? Other than that, this is ridiculous and funny and sad at the same time. It's like a pack of shitty, all broken up city pigeons fighting over crumbles of soggy, dirty bread. What is the point of this, and what do the participating parties expect to get out of these actions? It is still VERY unclear to me who OWNS this shit and who has a LICENSE for this shit. I never had teh feeling Cloanto OWNED anything, especially not trademarks, visual likeness and stuff unrelated to Amiga. |
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You may like or dislike Hyperion, like or dislike AmigaOS 4 or the PowerPC architecture, but fact is, the number of man years invested by Hyperion on AmigaOS 4 dwarfs Cloanto's ROM burning activities by some orders of magnitude. Quote:
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What makes installing WinUAE or FS-UAE less user friendly than Amiga Forever is the very fact that Cloanto own the rights to Kickstart and Workbench, which prevents anyone else from making a one-file distribution of a fully functioning emulator environment. Which puts Cloanto in a "patent troll" position rather than that of an innovator. Note that my comment was in response to this comment: Quote:
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I thought Cloanto contributed to the Aros 68k bounty and donated hardware to developers.
The cost of OS4 classic is a joke. |
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What are colors of the sides in this war then?
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22 May 2017, 23:32 | #30 |
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22 May 2017, 23:41 | #31 |
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21 GBP is a joke? http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...oducts_id=1222
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22 May 2017, 23:55 | #32 | |
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Exactly! My question as to why Hyperion would start selling their own classic ROMs was rhetorical but apparently you missed it. As for Hyperion being unable to innovate, I was referring to OS4 which still has rough feature parity with an OS that's 19 years old called Windows 98. The current state of OS4 is a mess. The only "updates" that have come out over the past 13 years have been Band-Aid fixes to get it to run on even more scarce and expensive PPC processors and some patches for its still buggy USB support. There have been advances as far as 3D support but those can't be attributed to Hyperion. Still waiting for multi-user support, SMP, and memory protection.....all things that were promised years ago but Hyperion is obviously unable to deliver.....nothing frivolous there. Last edited by ferrellsl; 23 May 2017 at 01:29. |
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except you constantly defend a party repackaging and selling stuff upon some trademark loyality. well, we all know by now, there is one or two associated developers there dedicated to the geunine amiga to a certain historical extent, so they can force though some minor updates, especially the code they are and feel likely responsible for and are copyright owners of anyway. so far it is still repackaging old software in comparison to just any community efforts so far. just to mention icon.library replacement and a number of other isolated library substitute efforts. the ancient afa os.. the whole boing bag 4 package choice.. aros 68k.. just anything looks in comparison with the above community driven initiatives, rather bleak..
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They do, however, have plenty of time to harass people (myself included) through PMs. I hope this fight ends with a double KO! |
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why to hope for that? however it ends it will have literally zero consequences. its for the community to get their act together, and cooperate with each other, if there is something people think to be worth to cooperate towards, that is. anything else is irrelevant, except for some popcorn drama.
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What a pathetic waste of money and energy this all is. The Amiga IP hasn't had any value for two decades.
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23 May 2017, 12:21 | #38 |
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While Hyperion are certainly involved, it may be wise to take a "wait and see" attitude on this while more probing is done on the origin of these applications.
Hyperion don't have the money to risk on lawsuits. A-Eon however do, and they have quite a say in Hyperion's running after the bailout. My bet is a lot of this is coming from behind Hyperion. |
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Also keep in mind that Cloanto is basically a one-man effort, just like Hyperion. He seems to follow a more sane, low-key approach when doing business - like not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have on a lawsuit on the other side of the Atlantic - but it's probably safe to assume his pockets aren't all that deep. If the choice was between 'don't buy' and 'buy at a sane price, but let the Belgium lawyer keep some rights', I know what I'd choose. Quote:
This situation is simply what you end up with once the big names loose interest in your IP. It's already a mess and it keeps getting worse - because nobody has (a) enough money (b) enough hindsight (c) not too much ego to actually solve this. But they all think somehow getting their hands on the IP or at least parts of it is going to make them fucking rich. |
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