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I am not on amigamap and certainly lots of other peoples are not either and now? What do we do? You claim 200, I say much more, my word against yours and now? discussion is really senseless... you have not contributed anything, you are not interested in Aros and never will, just stop spreading wrong informations about Aros when you do not know (the same is true for others here) or downtalking efforts of others who really do something. I wish you good luck with open sourcing AmigaOS and will take off my (not existing) hat if you really manages to... Last edited by OlafSch; 02 March 2017 at 13:27. |
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Why not port 3.x and or 4.x to x86? Money would be made - shits would be given and possibly a very cool x86 would produce some wonderful creativity! |
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Well, if you hate AmigaOS that much and want to strike out in an incompatible direction, good luck against all the other free x86/x64 OSes in this day and age when it is limited to OS3.1+AROS-only extensions. I don't see where the userbase and new development tools would come from; Amiga users are likely to continue with OS3.9/4.1/MOS and UNIX users would see no advantage in switching to AROS either. |
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https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuvzEgbTrkxP-F8NxsNKO7zx3XDy your point has been proven wrong. and also it proves that you are spreading your wrong preassumptions as facts without even checking. this is fud and bad will. period. |
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MOS will make a ISA switch either with radical changes and then propably be even less compatible than AROS. And for some strange reasons 68k software partly runs on both Aros (68k) and MOS but not 4.1... weird world. Could it be that they also changed a lot of things and dropped compatibility... questions over questions But it is not important because it is more propable that hell freezes than you using Aros but (as I wrote before) stop spreading nonsense and talking about things you have no clue of. Aros obviously belongs to that. |
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>more propable that hell freezes than you using Aros
If it remains at OS3.1 levels of functionality of course I won't use it, why would anyone!? If the goal is OS3.9 and there are problems with reaching that, I would understand, I just don't get what is so magical about OS3.1 that once OS3.1 functionality had been achieved there was no interest in supporting later and better AmigaOS versions. It is not like Windows where every update is worse than the one before :-/ >And for some strange reasons 68k software partly runs on both Aros (68k) and MOS but not 4.1... weird world. Could it be that they also changed a lot of things and dropped compatibility... questions over questions ReAction-based programs can easily be built for OS3.9, OS4.1 and MOS but not AROS x86. The changes in OS4.1 are mostly different APIs to access the same functionality. With AROS x86 the functionality is just missing. >things you have no clue of. I've installed and run it several times but as it is incomplete and has hardly any software for it I didn't find it of use and don't think it represents the most viable path for the Amiga going forwards. There is no need to flame me for just pointing that out; I don't hold you or any single person responsible. |
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you want to build on 3.x foundation no matter what, for sentiment reasons. then say it. dont try to invent technical execuses. Quote:
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genuine amiga will always be most numerous. maybe vampire will become more popular than the others. i hope so. Last edited by prowler; 05 March 2017 at 22:19. Reason: Fixed quote |
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now. if you dont think aros is a viable way forward, you are welcome to tell us what you think is. |
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I think you guys do not understand it or do not want to understand it... at least on 68k it feels for software like running in 3.1 so you do NOT need special aros software on it. Thus there is plenty of software available... regarding amiga users... facebook group "commodore amiga" has more than 11.000 users, much more than on amigamap. If that are users depends on definition, I assume majority uses emulation Last edited by OlafSch; 02 March 2017 at 14:08. |
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Yes, AROS 68K will run most OS3.1 apps, and also most OS3.5/3.9 apps if the relevant missing bits from AmigaOS 3.9 are copied over.
But the thread is about how to open source AmigaOS. OS3.1 has already been leaked, so OS3.5 and later are what now needs to be open sourced. AROS intends to be limited to OS3.1 plus some AROS-only extensions. I don't see how that will help with open sourcing AmigaOS. The OS3.9/4 source has to be purchased from H&P/Hyperion, recreated by decompilation or rewritten by revising the OS3.1 sources (or from scratch in the case of new components). |
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the sources are open in a way but it is not "open source" 3.5 and 3.9 is a mixture of H&P and third-party developments that later was licensed and integrated in 4.X. I do not know the contracts between Hyperion and those developers but I assume that Hyperion is not very intereted in it. And Mr. Haage (from my last contacts) is not "very" interested in amiga stuff anymore to say it politely If you really think there is a chance go for it you can contact Mr. Haage easily http://www.haage-partner.de/ the third-party developers who contributed to 3.5 and 3.9 should be somewhere in documentation a number of them even still active on the different platforms. Contact them and ask them if they would open source their software Last edited by OlafSch; 02 March 2017 at 14:26. |
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why are insisting on.. i am sorry to say, lying on a purpose to support you prejudice?
class act is not a part of os3.9. its a freely available third party contribution. same as third party mui classes you may be using with your os3 or aros respectively. since aros is not an option here, i will now be off from this thread except if you further insist to spread wrong information about aros, others may take for truth. good luck with that leaked source. |
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Regarding the number of users, I already stated the source of info and added that it might be wrong. Good luck with your AROS-centered life. To thread: Next post better be back on topic :-) |
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in opposite to many others here (including you?) it is just a hobby not religion talk is cheap... go make amiga os open source, find out who the correct copyright owner is, negotiate a price and then setup a bounty to free the sources. Then make a new thread here I am out too... good luck with it |
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Is it even necessary to go big with 64 bit physical addressing? Pointers need twice as much space and 8 byte alignment gives better performance with 64 bit pointers so more space is wasted aligning data (and code). The DCache is filled with many NOPs and zeros for only a few extra bits of addressing (usually only 40 bits of physical addressing is used). Code density drops significantly when moving to 64 bit wasting valuable ICache. Less than 10% of code and data is used often (probably much less on a small footprint OS like the 68k) so an MMU could quickly swap data between memory >4GB and the 32 bit 68k physical memory (memory<->disk is slow but memory<->memory is relatively fast) with the only limitation being that only 4GB of memory could be addressed at a time per task/process (this is a small limitation on an OS with a small footprint). The savings could be large for a multi-core CPU like an enhanced 68k where a 16kB L1 ICache and 16kB L1 DCache per core would likely significantly outperform that for most 64 bit ISA hardware (smaller caches are faster to access too). IMO, the 68k AmigaOS is a good candidate for such hardware as the AmigaOS does not currently use the MMU, backward compatibility could be maintained without sandboxing and the footprint of the AmigaOS is small enough that little MMU swapping would be necessary anyway and the 68k can improve code density to reduce L1 cache requirements and maximize the advantage of such a setup. An FPU and SIMD would still be able to process 64 bit datatypes. I don't want the 68k Amiga to follow the crowd to big and slow. I want it to be small, fast and friendly (lean and mean in a nice way). Quote:
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