Starting ASM coding on A1200. Which Assembler?

[meynaf]

Originally Posted by AnimaInCorpore

I did.

And of course, you splitted the source into many pieces to make it more "manageable", huh ?
How big was it ?

[AnimaInCorpore]

Originally Posted by meynaf

And of course, you splitted the source into many pieces to make it more "manageable", huh ?
How big was it ?

The source of Cho Ren Sha 68k is actually 5.2 MB in size. This includes a lot of comments produced by the disassembler so i'd say it contains about 2.6 MB of pure code.

No, I didn't split this source up for two reasons: the label renaming was way easier to do in one file and the source itself is almost kept in its original state. Only a few subroutine hooks have been put in so there was no real need to have many files.

However, I have some other separate source files for the system specific initialisation and emulation routines. So I can assemble the whole source for the X68000 and the Atari Falcon030.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by meynaf

In some way, it is a target architecture.

But what would you run it on?

Originally Posted by meynaf

Well, my A1200 could handle it.

Sure, but if at any one time you'd only have to assemble 100KB then it would be faster.

Originally Posted by meynaf

241689 lines in 0.77 sec = 18832909 lines/min.

Originally Posted by meynaf

Honestly, about the time to assemble, something makes me think it's not a valid argument

Not anymore, no, but you're using WinUae now.

Originally Posted by meynaf

But what does make sense ?

It certainly makes sense for code you write from scratch.

Originally Posted by meynaf

When you resource code it is usually the case

Yeah, you might be right about that.

[meynaf]

Originally Posted by Thorham

But what would you run it on?

Anything that can run the virtual machine. But it's OT here. PM me if you want to know more.

Originally Posted by Thorham

Sure, but if at any one time you'd only have to assemble 100KB then it would be faster.

And what would the gain have been ? Turn 30 seconds into 5, knowing that i don't assemble very often ? Not worth the trouble.

Originally Posted by Thorham

Not anymore, no, but you're using WinUae now.

Debug builds were done with "opt 0" option (no optimization) to care about assembly times.

Originally Posted by Thorham

It certainly makes sense for code you write from scratch.

Doesn't answer the question. I meant, what is the criterion for splitting ?
I split only reusable, modular code.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by meynaf

Debug builds were done with "opt 0" option (no optimization) to care about assembly times.

And how long did that take on a 50mhz 68030?

Originally Posted by meynaf

Doesn't answer the question. I meant, what is the criterion for splitting ?

For me size is certainly part of it. A 1mb source is just not fun to deal with. Actually, a 100kb source may already be a bit much. Very annoying if it can't be split up in parts that make sense.

[meynaf]

Originally Posted by Thorham

And how long did that take on a 50mhz 68030?

I don't remember exactly. Perhaps 30 secs or so.
Anyway, much less than the time i'd have spent coping with many source fragments.

Originally Posted by Thorham

For me size is certainly part of it. A 1mb source is just not fun to deal with. Actually, a 100kb source may already be a bit much. Very annoying if it can't be split up in parts that make sense.

What annoys you with a large source ?
Perhaps it's just the editor that's ill-suited for it ?

I see little difference in having several files open in an editor, in comparison to have several regions in the same file.
Conceptually it's the same.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by meynaf

Perhaps 30 secs or so.

That's not short.

Originally Posted by meynaf

Anyway, much less than the time i'd have spent coping with many source fragments.

That might be a good reason not to. When writing things from scratch you don't really have that problem, of course.

Originally Posted by meynaf

What annoys you with a large source ?

Feels unorganized.

Originally Posted by meynaf

Perhaps it's just the editor that's ill-suited for it ?

I use FrexxEd, so that's not the problem. FrexxEd has folding, so it should actually be a little better in that editor.

Originally Posted by meynaf

I see little difference in having several files open in an editor, in comparison to have several regions in the same file.
Conceptually it's the same.

No, it feels different. It's probably just comes down to personal preference.

[meynaf]

Originally Posted by Thorham

That's not short.

Sure. But when you change a global setting (like some equ used everywhere) you have to reassemble everything anyway. I don't want to type 10 commands where one is enough.

Furthermore, even when i split, i don't assemble separately. My viewer merges everyone together with include directives

Originally Posted by Thorham

No, it feels different. It's probably just comes down to personal preference.

If it comes down to personal preference, then the matter is settled

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by meynaf

Furthermore, even when i split, i don't assemble separately. My viewer merges everyone together with include directives

Which is fine if your source code isn't a megabyte. Your viewer isn't overly large and assembles pretty fast.

Originally Posted by meynaf

If it comes down to personal preference, then the matter is settled

Indeed People should work in a way that works best for them.