18 February 2015, 22:44 | #41 |
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morphos is still great , but i said years agao if they never ported it to ARM it would die and im right .
look at the raspberry pi2 quadcore and it runs amiga stuff lovly , thats the sort of amiga we want small and cheap , not 2 grand for an old ppc computer that technically slow as shit. |
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On which basis would you exclude "Apple or Linux similarities"? If a good feature on these systems exist which doesn't on OS abc, then it only makes sense to augment OS abc with it. Should we reject a Dock like system because the Mac has one? Should we reject the notion of a command line because Unix had one (before AmigaOS by the way)? Should we reject all the good and modern things these systems have and AmigaOS does not have yet because it's contrary to the holy writings? If it works and is useful I want it. I do not care where it comes from. There are many Amiga only concepts (sliding screens) which are now in OS X, should they have rejected them because "oh no it's an AmigaOS similarity"? |
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Simple! If you want Linux or Mac, use Linux or Mac.
The Amiga OS was loosely based on UNIX anyway, and has similar command line functions. The Amiga had a dock way before the Mac did. OSX and Linux does not equal all good and modern, neither does Windows. I use Linux myself, and Windows up to 7, (anything after 7 is not worth using). Linux can be a fine OS for some things, as long as you don't update it once installed and running fine. For example, my CCTV system is running XUbuntu and Zoneminder, it was a real pain to set up and took 2 days to get it working as it should. Last weekend there was updates and I took the plunge and installed them, BAD MISTAKE, although the OS booted it threw errors out about nonsensical things and Zoneminder failed to start. I eventually got things sorted after half a day spent replacing CORE libraries and Zoneminder itself with older versions. Very modern and versatile, I must say! I wouldn't want ANY of that in AmigaOS thank you very much, I just like to turn on my Amiga and use it without any faffing about. As for holy writings, WTF are you on about? The Amiga's OS has always done fine just the way it is, why do you think people still use it today? |
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well at the end everybody know that the real good soluition is rewrite the OS with MP RT and 64/128/whatever bit in mind and sandbox the old amiga stuff, but is not gonna happen both for money,time,marketshare and manpower constraints [and a good amount of "will no more be amiga" folks], so a side shorter term solution is to skin or "wrap" an existing *ix like osX did and ARIX si trying to do a la amithlon...
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This is the kind of imaginary wet dream that drives Amiga zealotry to infinity and beyond. If you are referring to those buttons you could add to the system below(was it Tool Manager?): That was and add-on, not system included, and it was based on functionality included on NeXT Step which, oh the irony, was partly the basis for OSX. |
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So to make it clear: if a feature from X or Y is: good and useful, working, has no bugs or these bugs can be fixed, makes users life simpler and less tedious. Should we reject it because it did not originate in the Amiga ecosystem? That's the question I asked and you did not answer. It has nothing to do with wanting Linux or Mac. This is what I meant by "holy writings". What criteria are you considering for rejecting or accepting such a feature from another OS? If practicality, ease of use, comfort, etc. do not enter into consideration all that's left is the "Amiga" dogma. Quote:
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I tend to blur NextStep and OS X into one, OS X is just what NextStep evolved into when it was made exclusive to Macs in my view. And it's a good example of OS transition btw: the original System 9 of the Mac was outdated, slow, buggy, not multitasking, with horrendous limitations imposed on programmers and they transitioned into OS X (X = 10, for System 10) which was actually a completely different OS, a NetBsd/Unix to be precise with temporary backward compatibility. Only a minority of Mac users shed any tears when that happened because the result was infinitely better (albeit a bit slow at the beginning). The same could happen to AmigaOS as far as I am concerned. What I would want from a new machine however is backward hardware compatibility. A legacy Amiga on a chip on all new machines, now that would rock and cost about nothing. |
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"hack"? Nope... And anyone that can code can verify that themselves. |
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21 February 2015, 22:35 | #49 |
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i run snow lepoard on my pc it runs great no difference to a real mac apart from more power and memory ohh and a better video card ,for about 1/3 of the price.
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if you consider amiga dogma, none of these companies apply whether they survive or not, because they simply dont have amiga reference except they were verified in their claims on heritage, which they wont allow. so they are not. case solved.
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What is under the hood of OSX is Darwin, and it is a BSD. Some specific releases of OSX has UNIX certification. A lot of userland tools evidently came from FreeBSD, yes. The KAME IP stack too shows "FreeBSD-isms".
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My personal take on the whole 'we need a new alternate AmigaOS thing' is that we don't and we won't get one even if we did.
The whole concept of an OS in the traditional AmigaOS sense is fast becoming obsolete! Instead I'd like to focus on something more achievable...bug fixing and improving 68K OS 3.x so we could use it on our Classic hardware and emulators (as a hobby!). A real-world example of what can be achieved is Peter K's excellent ICON library replacement Ideally you'd take the old 68k assembler code and refactor it to plain C, this is needed because there aren't many of the old assembler guys around (this is what Hyperion did with the old 3.1 code to build OS4). After refactoring the code you'd open-source it so that the community could work together to improve it. The other option would be to simply use AROS 68k and put the effort into making it run efficiently on real Classic hardware. With the development of fast FPGA stand-alone boards and accelerators it looks like there is plenty of life left in 68k land We could even back-port some of the features/improvements introduced into OS4 so it would't have been a wasted effort Last edited by NovaCoder; 24 February 2015 at 06:45. |
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I have some Warp3D 68k improvements I want to make so if you want to help with the back ports, please let me know. |
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I could only imagine an open source organization in the form like the BSDs. There is the "board", a group of a few "core developers", which are democratically elected by all developers every year. The core will decide about the direction of the development. |
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Hear hear. Ever since Commodore went under, and the single authority on what goes in and what stays out disappeared, it's just been a bunch of people all trying to pull different ways. 21 years of squabbling now. Yay. :-)
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It's not dead, it still has faint pulse, it will survive
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