Does a CD32 kickrom switch exist?

[Trigger58]

Hello,
does a kickrom switch for cd32 exist?

I searched with google but found only one for the CDTV.

Thanks for responding

[DanyPPC]

I don't think it exist, because a standard Kickstart (1.3/2.0) lacks cd rom support.

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by DanyPPC

I don't think it exist, because a standard Kickstart (1.3/2.0) lacks cd rom support.

That is what i thought. For my tests i don't need a cdrom. would it be possible to use the cdtv switch for the cd32?

[DanyPPC]

This is a technician question, but I doubt it's possible.

Better load a kickstart file into ram with a standard Relokicker.

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by DanyPPC

This is a technician question, but I doubt it's possible.

Better load a kickstart file into ram with a standard Relokicker.

I can't find a relokicker that works with a patched kick1.3. I need a patched kick1.3 with scsi.device. to create this wasn't a Problem but this kick is not supported of any softkicker tool i tested.

[alexh]

I don't think you can use a CDTV Kickstart ROM switcher with CD32. Why?

The CD32 uses a 16-bit 1MByte ROM which contained the 512KB Kickstart + Extended ROM
The CDTV uses a 16-bit 512KB ROM but the Extended ROM is stored in 2x extra ROMs.

There should be no need to use a kickstart switcher with CD32. They all came with Kickstart 3.1

Originally Posted by Trigger58

I can't find a relokicker that works with a patched kick1.3 with scsi.device.

You would need the RTB + PAT for the patched ROM. I think it should be possible to create them. It would require a little bit of research.

https://5e7b2c0d467b5.site123.me/

I thought you were going to try MAPROM instead of relockick?

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by alexh

I don't think you can use a CDTV Kickstart ROM switcher with CD32. Why?

The CD32 uses a 16-bit 1MByte ROM which contained the 512KB Kickstart + Extended ROM
The CDTV uses a 16-bit 512KB ROM but the Extended ROM is stored in 2x extra ROMs.

There should be no need to use a kickstart switcher with CD32. They all came with Kickstart 3.1


You would need the RTB + PAT for the patched ROM. I think it should be possible to create them. It would require a little bit of research.

https://5e7b2c0d467b5.site123.me/

I thought you were going to try MAPROM instead of relockick?

Thanks for this site. i will take a look


There are tons of games out there, that don't like kick 3.1 or cpu cache. the only way to get these to work is to use a kick1.3 and to disable the cpu cache. but kick 1.3 don't have an early bootmenu.



whdload isn't an option for all the games i wanna play. many of them don't have an installer and many others don't have the trainer options. even games like z-out with ingame trainer options as standard were removed with whdload. this sucks.


i try to build a nice cd32 gamestation with most of my favorite games.


about maprom:


where can i find this? with mutools there aren't any program called maprom. only mufastrom but i don't understand how to load a kickfile with that. i only get error messages with bad arguments. the tool mumaprom from aminet don't work. i tried it.

[alexh]

[QUOTE=Trigger58;1699154]There are tons of games out there, that don't like kick 3.1[quote]
Not that many when you remove those with WHDload + JST + Patches

Originally Posted by Trigger58

or cpu cache.

There will be a KS1.3 compatible tool that allows you to disable CPU caches. Have you tried : "setcpu nocache"? What about this :

https://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BootCACHE

Originally Posted by Trigger58

whdload isn't an option for all the games i wanna play. many of them don't have an installer

Make a list, start a thread about games that don't work on CD32/A1200 that don't have patches (WHDLoad/JST/other) and we (eab community) will search and confirm there is or isn't a HD patch for each game. You never know they may exist and you've not found them.

Originally Posted by Trigger58

many others don't have the trainer options.

Sign up for WHDload Mantis. Select the installer / slave you would like a trainer for. Look at any currently open tickets to see if it has already been requested. If it hasn't open a case and ask for a trainer. If someone has already asked for it, look at the status, perhaps comment that you too would like a trainer. If there is a beta slave attached to a Trainer request, try that.

Originally Posted by Trigger58

even games like z-out with in-game trainer options as standard were removed with whdload. this sucks.

Not true. It was changed from J+K to I+J for compatibility.

https://whdload.de/games/Z-Out.html

Originally Posted by Trigger58

with mutools there aren't any program called maprom. only mufastrom

https://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

MMULib->MUTools->MuMapROM

Originally Posted by Trigger58

the tool mumaprom from aminet don't work. i tried it.

User error? Read the guide? Perhaps it doesn't support KS1.3? The guide only discusses KS2.04+ but that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't support KS1.3?

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by alexh

There will be a KS1.3 compatible tool that allows you to disable CPU caches. Have you tried : "setcpu nocache"? What about this :

https://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BootCACHE

Thanks. A new tool to test it . "setcpu nocache" didn't test it too.

Originally Posted by alexh

Make a list, start a thread about games that don't work on CD32/A1200 that don't have patches (WHDLoad/JST/other) and we (eab community) will search and confirm there is or isn't a HD patch for each game. You never know they may exist and you've not found them.

First i need to look how many games they are. i'm not done with my build yet and thanks for the tip.

Originally Posted by alexh

Sign up for WHDload Mantis. Select the installer / slave you would like a trainer for. Look at any currently open tickets to see if it has already been requested. If it hasn't open a case and ask for a trainer. If someone has already asked for it, look at the status, perhaps comment that you too would like a trainer. If there is a beta slave attached to a Trainer request, try that.

i did this for Amnios, i hope. This site is a little bit complicate so i don't know if i did it in the right way.

Originally Posted by alexh

Not true. It was changed from J+K to I+J for compatibility.





https://whdload.de/games/Z-Out.html

DAMN!!! You're right. I didn't read all the changes. only the last ones.

Originally Posted by alexh

https://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

MMULib->MUTools->MuMapROM


User error. Read the guide.

I think you're right. I try this again.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Trigger58

i did this for Amnios, i hope. This site is a little bit complicate so i don't know if i did it in the right way.

It looks ok... maybe a few mistakes (Are you really running WB3.0?)

What might help would be a link to the SkidRow trainer version of Amnios on the Turran FTP site. I've added a comment for Stingray.

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by alexh

It looks ok... maybe a few mistakes (Are you really running WB3.0?)

What might help would be a link to the SkidRow trainer version of Amnios on the Turran FTP site. I've added a comment for Stingray.

Cool. Big thanks.



i think i use WB3.1 .i created my main os for the cd32 years ago so i am not 100% sure.


i tested now mumaprom and i have the same error. the problem will be the size of the created rom. i used a tool called kick13ide to build the patched kick1.3. the result was a 512kb rom file. most tools need the 256kb rom size.



i have no idea how to create a kick1.3 by my own. this is too complicate for me.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by alexh

What might help would be a link to the SkidRow trainer version of Amnios on the Turran FTP site.

TOSEC has a cracked version by SkidRow that was trained by AFL: https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch...0&httplinks=on
There's also a trained version of the same crack by Slipstream: https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch...0&httplinks=on

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by TCD

TOSEC has a cracked version by SkidRow that was trained by AFL: https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch...0&httplinks=on
There's also a trained version of the same crack by Slipstream: https://ftp2.grandis.nu/turransearch...0&httplinks=on

You're right. i tested both. none works with cpu caches on and other kickstarts as 1.3


i get the trainers to work but if the crack "skid_row" starts to load, the amiga hangs up and nothing happens.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Trigger58

i tested now mumaprom and i have the same error.

What is the error? Does it work with the original KS1.3 (256KB?)

Originally Posted by Trigger58

the problem will be the size of the created rom. i used a tool called kick13ide to build the patched kick1.3. the result was a 512kb rom file. most tools need the 256kb rom size.

There is no room inside KS1.3 for anything else and so after injecting scsi.device to KS1.3 it grows to be the next size up which is a 512KB ROM.

MUMapRom definitely works with 512KB ROMs but it may need additional information RTB+PAT(PCH) files.

What is the command line you're using now? What is the error?

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by alexh

What is the error? Does it work with the original KS1.3 (256KB?)

yes. if i use an unpatched kick1.3 then the amiga boots to kick1.3.


if i try the same with patched one, then it hangs up with black screen. patchfile=automatic is needed because there is no pch-file for the patched kick. same problem like all the other tools.

Originally Posted by alexh

There is no room inside KS1.3 for anything else and so after injecting scsi.device to KS1.3 it grows to be the next size up which is a 512KB ROM.

thanks for explaining. i am a noob about kickroms.

Originally Posted by alexh

MUMapRom should work with 512KB ROMs but it may need additional information RTB+PAT(PCH) files.

yep. exact my problem and if i read correct in an other forum, there will never be a chance to get these for new rom files.


i would pay for an working kick1.3 with scsi.device and full working pat+rtb files if i could.

[SkulleateR]

@Trigger58

Maybe you can reach out to @Retro1234 ...

Look at post #5 here -> https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67851

[Trigger58]

Originally Posted by SkulleateR

@Trigger58

Maybe you can reach out to @Retro1234 ...

Look at post #5 here -> https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=67851

Thank you. i sent him/her a message

[Retro1234]

If you use HD installed games you can then forget about using floppy disks and Relokick etc

[alexh]

Originally Posted by Trigger58

yep. exact my problem and if i read correct in an other forum, there will never be a chance to get these for new rom files.

I am discussing the problem with Mike Innes, the developer of Capitoline. He seems confident it is possible. He's not done it but it is on his list so why not now?

Originally Posted by Trigger58

i would pay for an working kick1.3 with scsi.device and full working pat+rtb files if i could.

I'm asking around. I'm surprised there is nothing. I am sure there is if we look deep enough.

Originally Posted by Retro1234

If you use HD installed games you can then forget about using floppy disks and Relokick etc

The OP has found a small number of games for which there are either no HD installers OR they don't have a trainer / cheat.

[FOL]

I'm trying to understand thread.
As OP asked about kickstart rom switcher and was given an answer about roms, which didn't make sense.


In regards to OP's question. Wouldn't standard rom switcher work.
As I have done this before on A1200 (using 2 rom switchers, 1 in each socket).
I split 1.3 with scsi support in to Hi and Lo, burnt roms and then tested.
Hi and Lo A1200 3.1 in first socket of each switcher and Hi and Lo of patched 1.3 in second socket. Worked fine and booted.


Obviously, CD32 only has one socket, so it should work with original rom and a burnt A500 patched 1.3 rom?
Plus our new tripple rom switcher can support 42 pin chips.